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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and welcoming on

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this interview i have retired cia

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officer who served within the agency

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from 1984 to 2009 serving within the

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directorate of science and technology

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the director of intelligence and the

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office of the director of national

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intelligence i have mr john ramirez john

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welcome to the podcast andy thank you

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for having me

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no thank you thank you for giving me

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some of your time uh listen john i have

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a lot of questions for you not just from

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myself but when i said you were coming

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on uh the audience got in touch and they

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drove so we've got a lot to get through

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yeah and you've done a couple of

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interviews recently with a witness

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citizen sean rash and jay from project

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unity and there was so much off the back

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of those people have wanted to follow up

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on or get further

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thoughts from you or for you to

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elaborate so let's see what we can get

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through in the time that we have

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john the first question i have to ask

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you as no doubt many people have already

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tried to online

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for those who question your legitimacy

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and your background how do you go about

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proving who you are if you indeed have

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it's practically impossible for a ci

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officer to prove that they were in cia

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it's easier when you are ncia you can

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actually contact cia and get an

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employment verification for serving

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officers

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but once you leave my file goes over to

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the us office of personnel management

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which is the personnel office for all

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federal employees whether they're active

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so it's impossible

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so it's basically just

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relying on like what i say if it's rings

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but otherwise as far as getting

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documents i mean i can produce all kinds

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of documents but people will always say

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that i photoshopped it or i made it up

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did though was i actually had w2s from

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internal revenue service

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the irs w2 verifies your employer and

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there is an id number for that employer

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every employer has a unique id number

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so that id number my name and my address

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was sent to a government officer who is

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and they were able to verify that i was

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people you know for example louie and

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and so look here it is you know they

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know who i am

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i had no qualms about them verifying

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that i am who i say i am so

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one photograph of me getting a promotion

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award but again someone could say oh you

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loss here i don't know how to prove

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frustration is on those who don't know

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who i am so i can understand that

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uh but i mean the shortcut would have

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been so someone to ask louis uh or jenna

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simmivan to just say do you know john

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ramirez and is he who he said say he is

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they'll get in touch um john can you

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i don't know where to start about that

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emissions around me like other ships uh

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jamming signals and that particular

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skill was very useful for cia

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but i needed a four-year degree so i

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went to george washington university to

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the navy i was hired into a technical

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washington d.c i saw an ad in a

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newspaper uh advertising for those with

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military second backgrounds to apply and

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um including sexual habits which are

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very uncomfortable to talk about but

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the innermost secrets of the united

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states government in exchange we want to

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know your innermost secrets we also want

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to blackmail we want to know that and

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they're non-judgmental um

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they really are and they just want to

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know that everything about you so that

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don't care blackmail me cia already

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knows all about this

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um and so i joined uh in the office of

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that information there and i went on

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technical operations so that's how i

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now something that's come up and i am no

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expert in the us government let alone

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any government okay i just and ask

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questions something that came up and i

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would like you to explain because i saw

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some chatter around it is to do with the

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pay grade gs15 now this is something

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that i've seen it was brought up by by

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jay on his interview with you that was

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excellent on the project unity channel

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the example which may be quite could but

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i would love for you to clear up as gs

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that correct or could you elaborate on

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that uh our janitorial staff came first

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maintenance they collected all of the

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picked up everything that needed to be

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they're not general schedule all general

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schedules or gs are professional

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fact louis was at gg 15

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mouth i don't mean any janitors are

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earning that kind of money and if they

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are send the application for my way that

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john the word this info or

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disinformation agent is thrown around

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what would you say to people who think

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you would be a prime candidate for this

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sort of accusation given your recent

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exposure to the community and also to be

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honest as we're going to discuss the

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extraordinary nature of some of the

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disinformation agent

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a deliberate policy of the government

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so um i would say that a disinformation

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false information into a narrative in

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order to affect the decisions or

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policies

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or beliefs of another

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government not people

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that it was not legal

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people would not

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realize this but it is not legal for

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the ia officer to be a disinformation

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against his uh or her own country

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do this but they're there to affect

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the plans and policies of another

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government and in fact that's a very

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dive into because

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uh what they're doing is basically uh

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introducing false information to try to

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convince people to think differently and

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so um

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it's mostly in the open source

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intelligence field

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that they would like uh throw in

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throughout something to influence for

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like say uh support for a certain

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candidate overseas

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you know they might they might throw out

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something that uh uh

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would persuade people not to vote for a

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certain candidate because they want the

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candidate that supports the us

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government to

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to come into uh office

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so i mean i admit that the cia does that

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it is not rogue it's not unlawful the

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national security act

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and uh various amendments to that as

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well as various presidential executive

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orders

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allow for certain types of covert action

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to take place overseas

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so this information is part of a covet

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action plan

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to influence

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the tear

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uh

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some action of another government

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now john i appreciate you clearing some

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of that up right off the bat but that's

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things that have obviously come up from

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from those previous interviews and i

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wanted to get that out in the open

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straight away so i do appreciate those

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answers

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john now what is your experience with

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the world of ufos and uap now not that

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it was necessarily a part of your job

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but growing up did you have any

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sightings experiences or just a general

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a general interest

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since i was four years old

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um and that was when i first looked

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through a telescope and i had this

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profound sense that i was not

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a part of this planet

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that i belong out there somewhere in the

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stars and that's pretty remarkable for a

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four-year-old but if you talk to

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experiencers

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that seems to be like the age when it

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happens and then thereafter at five and

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six

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i said this before i had experiences of

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of being led into a house

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by a woman who was not my mother and

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being examined by doctor and a doctor

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and a nurse and this happened over

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successive times where i was reassured

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don't worry we're not going to hurt you

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we just want to um

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see if

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you're okay we just want to give you an

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examination

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and i've had similar experiences

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throughout my life where you know

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experience being taken

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because i wanted to be um i experienced

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uh

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looking through a telescope when i was

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small and and seeing andromeda galaxy

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and having an instant connection with

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someone out there

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and wondering why don't you pick me up

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you left me on this planet i don't know

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why i'm here

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um

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being taken on board a craft

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and being examined on board a craft

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and then when i woke up the next morning

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there were markings on my body

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that looked like they were examining me

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so

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i've had many such experiences

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even

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in arizona where

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when i moved to arizona a being came to

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me and said don't worry we we know you

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moved we can always find you

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we found you and we just want to find

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see if you're okay

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so that's if you talk to experiences

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this is not strange

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um and the the beings i see are more

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um i don't like to use the word

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reptilian because people think of snakes

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and lizards they're not snakes and

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lizards they're more like uh evolved uh

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like sarian beans i call them sarian

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they're more like humanoid with mixture

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of sarian um this

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bipedal two arms you know a head

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two two eyes uh mouth and so forth you

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know like they're flesh and blood as far

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as i can tell

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and so these are the beings i i

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interacted with some people see mantis

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beings

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people see but if you talk to

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experiencers

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they are adamant that these experiences

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are real and they have a profound effect

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on their life

403
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uh mostly positive sometimes you get

404
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some disturbing kind of experiences with

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these beings

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um and i don't i've never had a

407
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disturbing experience like that

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so it's just something that's occurred

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and and i took that with me to cia i

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mean i've talked to other experiencers

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at cia

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saying that they don't know why they

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were there i mean they seem to be drawn

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to it i was always interested in

415
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intelligence at a young age and i was

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just drawn to work at cia and others

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seem to have the same kind of

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of compulsion it's and i use the example

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like the close encounters of the third

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kind people were like obsessing over the

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devil's tower

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uh structure you know going to the

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devil's tower um

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and they didn't know why they needed to

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go but they did

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and so scia is like kind of like a

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magnet for that

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now that that's amazing for you to share

429
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that and we have spoken on the podcast

430
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in the last five or six weeks to to

431
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various different experiences we allowed

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them to come on share their story and

433
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you hear like you see how it impacts

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them throughout their whole lives

435
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sometimes it's a consistent experience

436
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other times it can go away depending on

437
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different aspects of what's going on in

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their lives

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did you find your experience was

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consistent throughout your life or was

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there any prolonged stage where nothing

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was happening at all

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um it's not like an everyday thing i

444
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mean no it's it's like

445
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they come see me when they need to um

446
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and it seems like uh every time they see

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me i get some kind of information or

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download i call it experiences call them

449
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downloads yeah all of a sudden you you

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you get some insight

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into who they are and what their message

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is

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and so i use the example um

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like uh

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i know you have a uk art audience so um

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everyone in the uk knows what a laurie

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is and for a us

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it's a truck yeah so you know

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some people um

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you know are concerned whether the lorry

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was red or yellow by the way that was a

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great band

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okay

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red and yellow glory uh i'm into the 80s

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so yeah yeah yeah that's right some

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people uh are interested in the glory

467
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some people are interested in the driver

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of the lorry some people are interested

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in what makes the lorry move like the

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engine and then the

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the delivery person drops off a box

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and some people are interested in the

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box they shake it and measure it and

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weigh it

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00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,320
and but the experiencers and the

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channelers they're the ones that bother

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to open the box to see what's in it what

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are the gifts in it what is the message

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so more about the message

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than the craft

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00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:58,799
at all i've seen like orbs um i know the

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crafts exist deep inside

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i know when the government says that

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there are no ufos that roswell was uh

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like some old cold war test

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um of some old uh project i know that

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that can't be true um it's just that

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that

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um

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throughout

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my experience

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uh

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there's there's been validation of what

494
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i feel and i go with that validation now

495
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i'm not asking anyone to believe it i

496
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know they're skeptics and i i love

497
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skeptics it's good to be a skeptic it's

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good to question

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what disturbs me are um

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what i call uh

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the folks who know the information

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but still because of some policy or some

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plan or

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just out of spite

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um they just throw in all kinds of

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garbage even though they know the truth

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and those are the debunkers i i don't

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like debunkers at all

509
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at all

510
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i categorize debunkers differently from

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skeptics and i i truly honor skeptics

512
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i love skeptics they need to be there

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because they need to like set the

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boundaries of what our beliefs and what

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00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,440
our experiences are with this phenomenon

516
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but debunkers they're just troublemakers

517
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in my opinion so um i don't like

518
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debunkers but skeptics i love

519
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,720
you've touched on some wonderful

520
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,480
conversation points and i am going to

521
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,320
swing back to those as we go on in the

522
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conversation just out of curiosity you

523
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,440
mentioned the the polygraph test yes

524
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,520
that you have to go through in the cia

525
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,600
was your experience

526
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,799
brought up

527
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,720
during that is that something that you

528
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,039
had to divulge or did you divulge the

529
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,679
the uh the polygraph test was designed

530
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,559
for first of all counterintelligence

531
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,400
um the biggest

532
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,799
concern is are you

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00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,000
now

534
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:56,799
have you before or will you work for a

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00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,840
foreign intelligence service

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00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:01,360
that's the biggest

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00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,000
concern because we don't want to hire

538
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,159
people who are actually working on

539
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,320
behalf of a foreign government to spy

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against the united states

541
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and first of all all cia officers and

542
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anyone in the u.s government holding a

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security clearance are all u.s citizens

544
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,679
but has there been any incident in your

545
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,919
life or any occurrence where a foreign

546
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,159
intelligence service has encouraged you

547
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,240
to get a job like this so that you can

548
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,720
report back to that intelligence service

549
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:32,960
for compensation for money for goods and

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00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,240
services um so that's the primary

551
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,640
concern the second is is there anything

552
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,000
in your life

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00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,000
that a foreign intelligence service if

554
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,320
they knew this one thing in your life

555
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,039
that's so embarrassing to you

556
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,360
can they use that to blackmail you so

557
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,520
that you will work for them in order to

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00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,880
protect that

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00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,039
embarrassing thing in your life

560
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,280
and for a long time it was sexual

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00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,640
preference

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00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,520
um when that was a stigma in society and

563
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,240
in the 1990s that saul disappeared

564
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:05,679
that's all gone

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00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,360
so at cia we have all kinds of

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00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,919
uh representations of society

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00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,159
regardless of sexual preference gender

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00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,840
preference regards your gender

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00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,600
expression even

570
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,080
um there's transsexuals at cia

571
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,080
i mean it's not a big

572
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,039
stigma anymore yeah but what is still a

573
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,039
big stigma is working for a foreign

574
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:29,280
intelligence service like the svr for

575
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,960
example that the russian service

576
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,039
what i'd like to ask is on that talking

577
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:36,960
about the intelligence community at

578
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,480
large now recently dni avro haines spoke

579
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,000
about the uap at the ignatius forum and

580
00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:45,760
mentioned the word and this is difficult

581
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,840
to say

582
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,200
extraterrestrially yeah

583
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,120
can you speak about the impact that

584
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,520
using that language has had or could

585
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,919
have on the intelligence community or

586
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,159
the cia and people appreciate the

587
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,720
gravity of the language now being used

588
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,640
i'm speaking as a private citizen now i

589
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,480
wish i knew what it

590
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,799
was like at cia but i mean

591
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,799
the folks who know at cia who know

592
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,799
what's going on the folks at dia in the

593
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,919
intelligence community in the military

594
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,360
intelligence community and the

595
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,960
contractor community

596
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,120
who work this issue

597
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,720
for them it's no no big news it's mostly

598
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,799
an acknowledgement by the us government

599
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,440
that um you know these are these aren't

600
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,120
weather balloons these aren't

601
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,960
temperature aversions this isn't the

602
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,280
planet venus all the other excuses that

603
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,880
the government used

604
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,880
to hide the fact that these are real

605
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,600
craft or these a real phenomena

606
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,840
happening in our skies so that was the

607
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,480
impact of it it opened up the door

608
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,720
to have an honest discussion

609
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,840
um extraterrestrial discussion or i call

610
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,000
it exo discussion

611
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,760
of the the uh the fact of that

612
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,600
uh there could be

613
00:23:03,430 --> 00:22:59,760
and very likely are

614
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,440
uh pilots or some means of of propulsion

615
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,600
uh remotely from a mother ship that is

616
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,520
propelling what we're seeing

617
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,919
in our skies and so that was a very

618
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,200
important

619
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,000
fact and the fact that she said that

620
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,720
um pretty much

621
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,320
also took away

622
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,039
the other story that people believe

623
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,880
that they believe in the craft but they

624
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:25,200
believe the craft is a representation of

625
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,280
some advanced technology in the u.s

626
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,120
that might be and there might be

627
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,679
advanced technology in the u.s but also

628
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,000
don't discount the fact that that

629
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,520
there's an extraterrestrial there might

630
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,559
be an extraterrestrial uh reason for why

631
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,360
we're seeing the craft it's not just u.s

632
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,520
technology

633
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,320
so that's the jacket it opened up doors

634
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,799
to where we can actually talk about

635
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,279
the e.t

636
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,480
which which is right and you make a

637
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,000
really good point that i've mentioned

638
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,720
before john that even if we find that

639
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,480
there's a picture or video of a black

640
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,880
triangle somewhere or a saucer shaped

641
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,279
craft and it turns out to be us russian

642
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,679
or chinese that still begs a lot of

643
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,600
questions as to where has that

644
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,760
technology came from that's that's some

645
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,400
leap going from you know jet engines to

646
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,559
anti-gravity all of a sudden so there

647
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,320
still could be a lot of extraterrestrial

648
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,400
basis as to where that technology came

649
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,559
from in the first place which for me is

650
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,200
fascinating still

651
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,870
it's all i go back to roswell let's take

652
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,720
roswell for example

653
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,600
um

654
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:36,880
if i was uh the rancher max braswell i

655
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,840
think his name was if i was that rancher

656
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,840
um i would not have gone to the

657
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,279
government i would not have gone to the

658
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,679
base and announced

659
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,520
i got this debris here please clean it

660
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,480
up

661
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,640
i would have gone to like the university

662
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,640
of new mexico or

663
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,320
mexico state university i would gone to

664
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,799
academia get scientists on it so i got

665
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,880
something strange here but it was the

666
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,799
cold war and so there were a lot of

667
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,880
things happening during the cold war uh

668
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,600
this is new mexico this is where

669
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,080
uh the first atomic tests

670
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,240
occurred at trinity

671
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,919
um

672
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:13,039
i

673
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,640
we would not be here today

674
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,640
pondering the question we would know the

675
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,960
answers but instead the government came

676
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,320
into play

677
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,799
and did not allow even academia at that

678
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,440
point to eagerly examine it so

679
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,679
i go back to that i mean it's it's

680
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,279
unfortunate that that's the way it

681
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:44,480
occurred but now

682
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:45,279
i

683
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,200
had that occurred that the government

684
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,720
could take from

685
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,039
even a civilian study the government

686
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,559
could extract

687
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,039
well since the civilian examination of

688
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:59,840
the craft would have been open you know

689
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,480
academically open the government could

690
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,919
have taken from that academically opened

691
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,159
investigation whatever technology or

692
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:09,919
whatever materials they needed to do

693
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,200
their own you know secret program while

694
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,360
leaving that craft intact for

695
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,720
for the rest of us

696
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,320
the fact that it landed in the united

697
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,960
states i i firmly believe that

698
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,320
um it came from space

699
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,880
the united nations now says that we no

700
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,520
country can claim anything in space for

701
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,760
its own sovereign

702
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,039
claims

703
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,559
you know so

704
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,960
if a craft comes from space and lands

705
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,200
in the united states territory or china

706
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,559
or russia

707
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,200
that craft belongs to the whole world

708
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,600
if there are signatories to the that

709
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:48,400
united nations outer space treaty

710
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,520
that it doesn't belong to one country

711
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,480
but

712
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,240
sovereign nations being what they are

713
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,159
they tend to claim it for their country

714
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,559
and i think that's part of the problem

715
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,279
and so i'm

716
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,960
very heartened

717
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:05,360
that the gillibrand amendment the

718
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:08,799
amendment to the original amendment uh

719
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,149
opening up a office and thinking that

720
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,640
gillibrand amendment it's called the uh

721
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:19,440
anomaly surveillance and resolution

722
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,399
office yeah and the resolution is the

723
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,360
most important word in there because

724
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,200
resolution means we're going to get down

725
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,240
to like what is it why they're here

726
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,480
who's driving them we're going to try to

727
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,679
solve

728
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,320
this this mystery

729
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,760
and i'm heartened that there's a

730
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,080
provision in the law the state the

731
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,640
united states government must share

732
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,600
its information with other countries

733
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,720
and that

734
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,279
the government is now

735
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:51,360
uh

736
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,200
to the government um

737
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,799
i should say the government is beholden

738
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,720
to congress representatives of the

739
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,240
united states people

740
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:01,520
to

741
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,480
been made in sharing that information

742
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,720
with all these other countries

743
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,320
and it seems like everything happens in

744
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,880
the u.s but i mean latin america a lot

745
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,679
of

746
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,559
you know all over the world in asia

747
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,760
and europe

748
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,559
in in even in the uk people are seeing

749
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,520
things

750
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,080
um so it's not just a us-only phenomenon

751
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,080
it seems like we talk so much about the

752
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,840
us only phenomenon but it's happening

753
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,760
everywhere but these governments need to

754
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,000
like talk to each other and now if this

755
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,159
passes by law

756
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:35,360
congress can

757
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,799
then demand the u.s government you must

758
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,760
cooperate you must tell us

759
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,679
how you are cooperating with these other

760
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,679
countries so that's a that's a big big

761
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,200
leap forward

762
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,600
you use the word heartened and as we

763
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,640
speak the

764
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,480
the vote is still i don't even think

765
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,000
it's going ahead yet it's there's been a

766
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,760
lot of updates going on throughout today

767
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,760
as we record this but it's nice to see

768
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,440
that it's been co-sponsored by at least

769
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,240
five senators now um so other people

770
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,240
regardless of their party and political

771
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,240
leanings are putting their name to this

772
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,760
and hopefully that that pushes things

773
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,600
forward a little bit more

774
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,840
john you've suggested that previously on

775
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,200
an interview that everything that's

776
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,399
happened from 2017 onwards as

777
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,279
potentially controlled dissemination can

778
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,039
you elaborate on this is it something

779
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,120
you suspect or something you know is

780
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,440
happening the control dissemination has

781
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,120
happened from

782
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,029
i can only speak from 1984 because

783
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,840
that's when i actually got clearances

784
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,360
uh control dissemination has been

785
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,600
happening for the decades

786
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:42,159
and before it was just

787
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:43,279
mostly

788
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,399
denial

789
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,679
if anything

790
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,640
and

791
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,880
slowly as

792
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,760
we

793
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,039
learned

794
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,559
that

795
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,720
what people are seeing correlated to

796
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,720
what we were collecting

797
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:59,760
in terms of our sensor capabilities

798
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,200
that it was time to start

799
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,760
easing up on this information

800
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:07,600
it originally happened through the

801
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:10,640
entertainment industry

802
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,919
where cia had a office

803
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,200
an entertainment

804
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,720
liaison office

805
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,000
to seed

806
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,480
certain ideas in certain science fiction

807
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,600
scripts

808
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:24,640
that this was a reality so that was very

809
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,840
slow it's like an atomic energy

810
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,960
kind of or nuclear uh power plant

811
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,200
uh analogy is uh a

812
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
nuclear power plant in the core there's

813
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,080
control rods and if you lift all the

814
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,399
control rods up are you going to get a

815
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:44,000
chain reaction and fortunately the

816
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,360
fizzle material

817
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,080
is not high enough of grade to actually

818
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,440
cause an explosion but you're going to

819
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,080
get a very fast chain reaction so they

820
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,919
put the control rods down and they lift

821
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,159
up different control rods

822
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:58,880
gauge how the public feels about that so

823
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,840
okay we have no we have

824
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,640
some consensus that there is an alien

825
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,960
presence and their ufos are real

826
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,080
because

827
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,600
the surveys uh decades ago pretty much

828
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,919
majority of american citizens at least

829
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,000
believed that ufos were real

830
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,760
and so then you lift up more control

831
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,600
rods and then you add

832
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,760
more information into

833
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,480
the the uh public domain

834
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:25,919
and so

835
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,640
um within the government itself i would

836
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,039
say the big control rod was

837
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,760
that was lifted was when we were able to

838
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,559
put

839
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,320
electro optical sensors on our

840
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,480
satellites and when i say electro

841
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,039
optical i mean in the infrared region

842
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,919
and so when you put infrared sensors

843
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,559
uh originally what we call four band or

844
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,679
four color

845
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,159
most recently eight band or a color

846
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,200
um hyper uh they're now hyperspectral

847
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:55,120
originally multi-spectral four-band

848
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,240
sensors

849
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:58,240
um at that time

850
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,080
uh we saw the the presence of orbs uh

851
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,799
like these aren't like solid craft these

852
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,399
are energy

853
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,320
orbs and what are they they're flying in

854
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,440
formation as i said before and other uh

855
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,080
calls the phlegm and formation under

856
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,480
intelligent control with an intent to go

857
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,080
to some destination

858
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:20,640
so that's really what sparked it and it

859
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,640
was in the i think 92 uh it was keenan

860
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,320
keenan 11

861
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,000
uh cage kenan kh-11 block 2

862
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,519
where the first

863
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,840
ir sensor went on board that and i could

864
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,279
say that because

865
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,080
nro released the fact of that the kanan

866
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,159
or kh11 spacecraft carried

867
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,559
electro-optical sensors before that was

868
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,880
protected under bimen they got rid of

869
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,640
diamonds so i could say that and i saw

870
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,480
it on a brochure

871
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,880
so as these sensors became more

872
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:53,360
sophisticated we were able to actually

873
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,159
see

874
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,360
the presence of orbs in our skies all

875
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,880
over the world

876
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,279
um and so that

877
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,240
then

878
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,559
started this working group i said uh

879
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,279
under with jay this working group

880
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,480
process

881
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,519
started this is before allsack

882
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,120
don't even think that everything started

883
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,360
with all set the government

884
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,919
this long time ago decades before as

885
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,919
these sensors became online

886
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,840
and so there was a serious uh working

887
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,480
group to actually study these sensors

888
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,679
and

889
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,279
to eliminate

890
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,120
right off the bat that they were any

891
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,120
kind of adversarial technology that was

892
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,559
already off the plate

893
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,559
and so they looked at it

894
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,600
as

895
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:38,880
th this is an unexplained

896
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:45,750
for your audience

897
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,039
when do you think in your own mind when

898
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,720
did you learn

899
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,279
uaps versus ufo

900
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,519
it used to be ufo ufo ufo all of a

901
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,880
sudden uap

902
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,960
when was that

903
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,200
who seated that in your mind

904
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,760
go back there and that's the answer as

905
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,840
to when the government started like

906
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,760
releasing more control rods because

907
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,800
before

908
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,040
a flying object is sort of like a

909
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,200
solid you know nuts and bolts craft

910
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,560
right yeah but an aerial phenomenon is

911
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,839
it can include that plus other

912
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:21,359
manifestations of some kind of means of

913
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:25,520
travel which might be non-metallic

914
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,960
in nature so when you've heard of uap

915
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,839
first

916
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,359
go back

917
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,320
and find out when was the first instance

918
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,520
that anyone's ever heard the term uap

919
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,200
versus ufo

920
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
and then that's that's when you learned

921
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,960
that that's when the government again to

922
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,159
your point

923
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,359
you know

924
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,560
introduce

925
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:49,200
more information lifted up the control

926
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,040
rods 2017 those videos um that really

927
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,480
like

928
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,639
that was that really kicked things off

929
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,040
um before 2017

930
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,240
did you know who lui elizondo was no you

931
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,480
ever heard of asap or even a tip forget

932
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,040
about the alphabet soup debates

933
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,040
uh forget about the debate it's the

934
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,640
concept that the government was actually

935
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,320
studying this in earnest

936
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,280
um have you ever heard that before 2017

937
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,880
no

938
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,440
you haven't heard any of that um so i

939
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,599
mean that's on an accelerated schedule

940
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:23,680
now

941
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,040
really interesting points it's almost

942
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,560
like you can read the questions i've got

943
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,280
next so splitting this into into two

944
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,160
aspects one of the big barriers to those

945
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,880
the general public on the outside for

946
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,440
from getting so involved in this subject

947
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,640
is the quality of imagery as evidence

948
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
what are the best quality of images you

949
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,400
have either seen or heard of being

950
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,880
available at the highest levels and i

951
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,960
suppose it's an obvious question but are

952
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,040
we as the public getting the best

953
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:55,040
possible quality images and videos of

954
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:56,240
uaps

955
00:36:03,190 --> 00:35:59,920
that would they have it's amazing um i

956
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,200
was at star works usa this past weekend

957
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,720
and there is a researcher from mexico um

958
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:08,560
jaime massan

959
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
and he showed videos of images that are

960
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,240
remarkable

961
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,520
citizen

962
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,480
science i call it images from just

963
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,280
ordinary people as far as the government

964
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,000
goes i have never seen

965
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:26,560
any image of an actual nuts and bolts

966
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,520
craft

967
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,000
i have seen orbs

968
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,760
and the orbs

969
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,119
are just like any other orb it's just

970
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,400
light

971
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,040
usually around 600 nanometers

972
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:42,640
i personally seen a 600 nanometer orb

973
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:46,800
from an aircraft flying to california

974
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,160
and it's orange 600 nanometers is orange

975
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,839
some people see other colors but i see

976
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,280
orange

977
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,680
um so

978
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,480
from

979
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,680
officially

980
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,560
it was just similar to that

981
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,880
or has no like

982
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,440
no sense of it has a shape

983
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,200
but sometimes the shapes can change

984
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,920
that's called signature management

985
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,520
um and the shapes can change a little

986
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,680
bit but it still maintains an orb like

987
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,960
like uh

988
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
shape

989
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,839
and so what you see

990
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,720
as orbs what people have shot with their

991
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,400
own cameras

992
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,800
is basically what i saw

993
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,119
i would love to see that 23 minute video

994
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,599
that louis teased

995
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:32,160
because i'm waiting for that as well

996
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:33,200
so

997
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:34,839
no i haven't seen like

998
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,079
craft but i've seen orbs officially seen

999
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,680
orbs

1000
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,960
what have you heard through the

1001
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,880
grapevine as to what others may have

1002
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,880
seen there must have been conversation

1003
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,480
like you say if you've got people within

1004
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,200
the cia who are themselves experiencers

1005
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,599
i imagine there are those within the cia

1006
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,000
who have access or have heard about

1007
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:56,720
images or videotape that in turn they

1008
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,079
talk about i've never i've never uh

1009
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,920
officially

1010
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,640
seen anything or talk to anyone

1011
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:06,000
officially

1012
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,960
about

1013
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,359
any kind of objects

1014
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,240
at all

1015
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,680
or even even beings officially

1016
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:16,800
i have talked to my colleagues friends

1017
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,560
office mates yeah that say oh yes you

1018
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,560
know i've seen

1019
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,160
uh

1020
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,720
craft i've seen it

1021
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,400
with my own eyes

1022
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,880
and there were employees of nsa there

1023
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,750
those are the two agencies that i had

1024
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,480
most interacted with not so much dia

1025
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,720
but mostly nsa and cia because of my

1026
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,880
position my job

1027
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,119
and they will tell you once you have

1028
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,480
their confidence

1029
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,480
that they've seen and experienced other

1030
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:50,880
beings they experienced being taken

1031
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,599
they experienced all of that

1032
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,280
and so

1033
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,320
from that level i know that other people

1034
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,000
in the community but as far as

1035
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,520
officially

1036
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,720
um

1037
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:04,960
the only official thing is something i'm

1038
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:07,839
working on it's not necessarily about

1039
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,720
craft it's about who's driving it or

1040
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,560
maybe the

1041
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,200
i would say it's more like a hint as to

1042
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,960
who's driving them

1043
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,599
and to get to that hint you

1044
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,760
it you have to build a bridge as to

1045
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,640
where we actually came from

1046
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,760
that's something we've been hearing a

1047
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:28,000
lot about recently this is the biggest

1048
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,960
like

1049
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:31,599
bridge that needs to be built

1050
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:32,320
and

1051
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,720
like dni

1052
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,000
uh abram haynes has to say the et word

1053
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,520
first just just put that drive that

1054
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,960
first nail in

1055
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,400
to build that bridge you know get the

1056
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,480
first building materials

1057
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,200
and so that has to be said first

1058
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,920
i hope that as the legislation goes

1059
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,520
through and this office actually comes

1060
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,520
together but more of that bridge will be

1061
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,640
built

1062
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,800
i'm hoping that

1063
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,960
then at that point we can have an honest

1064
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,160
discussion

1065
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,680
of

1066
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,319
where we came from as humans

1067
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,960
and why they're here

1068
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,280
they meaning our visitors why are they

1069
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,640
here

1070
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,720
that's something obviously louis lozando

1071
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,960
himself has mentioned in a few recent

1072
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,440
interviews and most recently with a cut

1073
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,319
guy mungo on theories of everything talk

1074
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,960
that around 70 000 years ago genetically

1075
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,640
we got a bit of a boost

1076
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,359
and are you alluding to the fact that by

1077
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,800
mentioning that extraterrestrial word

1078
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,240
you're potentially going back to that

1079
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,800
point or some point in our past

1080
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,599
to then build on what happened did

1081
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,839
someone interfere and at that point is

1082
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,079
that where we as humans became the the

1083
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,720
dominant species on the planet i i don't

1084
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,240
like to use the word interfere i like to

1085
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,200
use the word enhanced okay if that

1086
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,280
enhancement had not occurred we would be

1087
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,760
very intelligent primates in a zoo like

1088
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,359
what you see in a zoo

1089
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,560
yeah um i think we were enhanced uh to

1090
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,800
be who we are

1091
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,760
and that that study of dna

1092
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,640
um i have a teaser for all the folks who

1093
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:13,200
have twitter follow me on twitter

1094
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,750
um i would say very interesting

1095
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,560
collection of

1096
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,760
facts

1097
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,079
that on its own doesn't mean much but

1098
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,599
when you stand back

1099
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,480
um it's i found it very interesting so

1100
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,599
i'm gonna

1101
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,359
talk about a company that no one knows

1102
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:37,040
but i found it because i know where to

1103
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,920
look

1104
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,480
and the officers who are the

1105
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,640
consultants of that company a very

1106
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,480
interesting list so if you look at this

1107
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,160
company and what it does

1108
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,960
and you look at a project that it did

1109
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,480
for this company and you look at the

1110
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,240
list of officers

1111
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,480
that's a company that is one to keep an

1112
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,880
eye on and it's very difficult to find i

1113
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,640
stumbled on it because i was looking for

1114
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,119
a specific

1115
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,079
combination of search terms and i found

1116
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,000
it now that's a teaser i'm not ready to

1117
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,280
put that out yet because i'm still

1118
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,760
trying to put it together

1119
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,599
have you got a time scale this is that

1120
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:13,680
70 000 years ago

1121
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,839
kind of

1122
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,680
thing have you got a rough time scale in

1123
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,040
mind as to when you're going to put that

1124
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,560
out or uh actually um i'll do it after

1125
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:25,040
after this podcast

1126
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:26,240
after this

1127
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,390
i'm gonna have like it's happy hour and

1128
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,040
so after happy hour i'll post it i'll

1129
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,560
need to ramp up the questions to make

1130
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,160
those uh happy our drinks worth it i

1131
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,800
think then um now listen uh to follow up

1132
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,319
on that question about the quality of

1133
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,560
evidence last year i spoke to a few

1134
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,480
different witnesses to the tic tac event

1135
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,599
gary voorhees pj hughes and kevin day

1136
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,760
they hinted on on the round table at

1137
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,480
other agencies and organizations being

1138
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,839
able to track uap using their systems

1139
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,520
especially those up and down the coast

1140
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,680
so putting two into it together i would

1141
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,760
imagine those would be agencies and

1142
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,760
organizations with sensors who would be

1143
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,000
tracking missiles coming in across

1144
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,000
bodies of water i think that would make

1145
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,680
sense yeah

1146
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,079
yeah um and so

1147
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,000
the uh for uk audience uh in uh

1148
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,720
filing gales raf filing dells there's a

1149
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:22,079
radar

1150
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,800
we use to track ballistic missile

1151
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,440
launches when they occur

1152
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,079
the two that are most interesting

1153
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,160
are

1154
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,440
pointed southward over the atlantic and

1155
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,440
over the pacific oceans

1156
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,079
and so they're designed to look for

1157
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,359
uh

1158
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,760
submarine launch ballistic missiles

1159
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,599
because intercontinental ballistic

1160
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,720
missiles from a ground silo

1161
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:52,560
will come over the

1162
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,040
uh or circumnavigate the arctic circle

1163
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,599
to strike the u.s but a submarine will

1164
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,480
launch

1165
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,560
uh either from the north atlantic or

1166
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,960
north pacific or most likely from the

1167
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,440
south pacific and south atlantic

1168
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:09,040
and so those radars are looking down

1169
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:10,160
that way

1170
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,599
and it's called pave paul's p-a-v-e

1171
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,760
p-a-w-s

1172
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,400
um and i can say it operates between 450

1173
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,319
and 480 megahertz

1174
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,599
i was designed specifically for uh

1175
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,520
tracking ballistic missiles i said that

1176
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,040
can also track uh satellites as well

1177
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,880
uh very long range

1178
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,839
and those those uh there's there are

1179
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,839
phased array radars and i don't want to

1180
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,760
get too technically wonky

1181
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,640
but um forget the radars that you see at

1182
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,640
the airport that are circular scanning

1183
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,480
so you get this like dish

1184
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,000
you know or some

1185
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,680
lattice dish and it goes around in

1186
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,960
circles

1187
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,119
those radars aren't designed to track

1188
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,599
you at peace and so when you say the you

1189
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,200
know the air traffic controller didn't

1190
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,720
see anything on his radar he doesn't

1191
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,960
have the right radar to look at him

1192
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,119
these radars are designed to look for

1193
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,920
extremely small objects traveling very

1194
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:05,280
fast

1195
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,880
per second

1196
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,920
that's how fast an a

1197
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,040
icbm or slb and warhead can travel

1198
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:21,200
once it pops up and comes down

1199
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,200
that's very fast imagine every second

1200
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,119
you're eight kilometers away

1201
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,880
every second that's very fast and that's

1202
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,359
how those radars work looking at very

1203
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,599
small objects so yes

1204
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,079
they're right those those sensors can

1205
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,440
look for

1206
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,839
uh underwater

1207
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,880
um

1208
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,800
submersible objects that i think they

1209
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,480
call them usos now

1210
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,880
and they can track them

1211
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,119
and then that information is fed into

1212
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:51,680
this u.s space force runs it now that

1213
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,680
information gets uh sent to the proper

1214
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,599
uh authorities which in this case is the

1215
00:46:01,030 --> 00:46:00,000
north uh north american air defense

1216
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,040
which is

1217
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,760
ostensibly kind of

1218
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:05,359
part of

1219
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:06,160
north

1220
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,680
western hemisphere

1221
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:14,319
north north america to protect north

1222
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:17,839
america so that information gets fed in

1223
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,720
in that way so the they they are able to

1224
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,119
track and also they can then

1225
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,520
correlate with what we have

1226
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,040
in space

1227
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,560
looking at

1228
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:31,359
infrared sensors i mentioned before yeah

1229
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,400
we have the

1230
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,359
defense support program which is an old

1231
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,560
sensor that's been around since 1970

1232
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,119
it's now like

1233
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,520
are 50 years old and it's retiring and

1234
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,359
then there's the siebers the space-based

1235
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,240
infrared system which is newer

1236
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,440
and uh more capable and they can also

1237
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,880
look at

1238
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,359
the presence of that type of vehicle

1239
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,280
coming out of water

1240
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,000
we also have uh boy um

1241
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,160
things under the i would say this is

1242
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,560
this is where i get close to nda

1243
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
uh let's just say that um if you have a

1244
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,640
submarine and you approach the united

1245
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,680
states

1246
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,880
you're not going to be hiding from the

1247
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:12,640
united states

1248
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,240
so anything that is under the water um

1249
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,520
there's a

1250
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,560
more than

1251
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,319
even chance that you've already been

1252
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,520
detected

1253
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,359
now just leave it at that

1254
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,640
we'll just say there's some pretty good

1255
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:26,079
microphones under there picking up

1256
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,910
uh no that thank you for that though i

1257
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,599
appreciate you've got to tour that thing

1258
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,839
i i just say you know just just look for

1259
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,599
uh the hunt for red october watch that

1260
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,880
movie it's extremely well informed

1261
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,400
next well there's there's a good one for

1262
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,839
the list we've been talking recently on

1263
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,760
the discord chat about a few different

1264
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,680
movies like the abyss and event horizon

1265
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,359
so there's a new one for you the hunt

1266
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,200
for red october not necessarily well

1267
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:53,119
known for its ufo

1268
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,920
yeah

1269
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,119
that's pretty good

1270
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,559
i'll make sure that's on the list this

1271
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,520
weekend um listen john recently people

1272
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,599
are talking about the idea of groups of

1273
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,319
future humans competing over timelines

1274
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,200
due to potential impending cataclysms do

1275
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,280
you think controlled dissemination as

1276
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,440
mentioned as a required catalyst for

1277
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,520
change is the phenomenon itself

1278
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,680
potentially ramping up and influencing

1279
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:17,280
disclosure

1280
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,520
uh that's a tough one to to answer um

1281
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,599
when you get into like the time element

1282
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:26,000
it's i'm not a physicist so i can't even

1283
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,040
describe

1284
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,960
how that could occur

1285
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,440
um i would say this

1286
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,599
i know enough that um

1287
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,720
i don't think in terms of time travel

1288
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,240
because

1289
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,960
i think of in terms of temporal and

1290
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:43,440
spatial displacement

1291
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,359
under the influence of a lot of gravity

1292
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,359
so you have to have three things

1293
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,359
uh you have to have gravity first and a

1294
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,760
lot of gravity something with a strong

1295
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,720
gravitational field to be able to

1296
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,960
displace

1297
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,720
or bend

1298
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,760
time and space oral and spatial

1299
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,319
and that's the way that occurs now as

1300
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,920
far as like

1301
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,160
other advanced technology advanced

1302
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,160
beings be able to

1303
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,559
use that type of

1304
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:16,800
physical phenomenon and it's just

1305
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,240
physics that we're talking about um

1306
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,160
i don't know how they would do that um

1307
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,160
but having said that

1308
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:26,240
there is some talk and i don't know for

1309
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,119
sure

1310
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,119
but there's some talk of that part of

1311
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,520
the message is that

1312
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,680
we need to

1313
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,800
prevent

1314
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,359
some catastrophe from happening

1315
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,200
and the government's really reluctant if

1316
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,880
they know this they will probably not

1317
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,240
talk about it

1318
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,000
because you know that spins up people

1319
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,000
and gets them afraid

1320
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,319
um it's it's probably they'll solve the

1321
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,839
problem before they even mention the

1322
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,240
problem you know so yeah they'll do the

1323
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:54,000
solution and then say oh by the way you

1324
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,880
know

1325
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,640
we stopped this from happening

1326
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,319
so i don't know how to how to answer

1327
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,880
that um i myself

1328
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:02,400
um

1329
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,640
doing things for a planet to heal our

1330
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,240
planet

1331
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,559
doing things for ourselves to heal our

1332
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,960
divisions amongst humans

1333
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,040
as a way of progressing forward

1334
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,200
i think that is the message i'm hoping

1335
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,359
for um that's the message i get through

1336
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,839
downloads you talk to experiencers um

1337
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,599
some many of them have the same kind of

1338
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,240
message channelers especially have that

1339
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,880
message to to bring back from those who

1340
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,160
they channeled

1341
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,960
but i don't know about uh you know like

1342
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,440
time travel and you know

1343
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,800
government

1344
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,720
interaction with time if that's where

1345
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,800
you're going i i have no idea about that

1346
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,400
no i think you're right about it the

1347
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,319
idea of time travel but you tend to

1348
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,000
watch a hollywood movie and you jump

1349
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,760
forward or you jump back and i think

1350
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,119
you're right when it comes to this

1351
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,200
phenomenon it's not necessarily the same

1352
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,920
thing and i am no physicist but we can

1353
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,680
only think of time in terms of being a

1354
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,359
human and it goes on a clock forward it

1355
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,599
goes back right these things could be

1356
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,839
skipping all over and you hear about

1357
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,000
maybe another phenomena or entity or

1358
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,160
species are seeing time as a long

1359
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,800
exposure and what we see as a second

1360
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,559
they see as a minute

1361
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,480
yeah a totally different understanding

1362
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,960
in our human mind we look at space as

1363
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,200
something we can measure

1364
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,359
we look at time as something that we can

1365
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,280
measure and it's linear

1366
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,440
um i think if you look at time

1367
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,480
differently

1368
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,400
in the quantum sense and by the way

1369
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,720
quantum doesn't mean huge it means very

1370
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,280
tiny yeah look at units of time the

1371
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,559
units of space is very tiny

1372
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,720
that can be somewhat

1373
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,040
i hate to use the word manipulated

1374
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,520
but somehow

1375
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,079
used in a way that that can facilitate

1376
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:47,760
travel

1377
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,319
in a non-linear fashion

1378
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,960
i think that might be the next big thing

1379
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,200
in like quantum physics

1380
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:57,920
to discover i mean they can see that

1381
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,400
in a linear accelerator for example you

1382
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,920
know they can produce subatomic

1383
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,200
particles

1384
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,960
and they can see some of them like going

1385
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,240
back in time

1386
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,960
they can see anti-particles like here's

1387
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,960
the particle here's the anti-particle

1388
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,559
and they

1389
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,319
destroy each other or they can see

1390
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,800
particles that seemingly

1391
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,880
can't stay in our

1392
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:20,160
three-dimensional space and they

1393
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,359
disappear

1394
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,480
somewhere

1395
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,160
yeah so they

1396
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,160
they haven't explained it but

1397
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,599
um

1398
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,359
yeah i i can't i don't have a good

1399
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
answer for you and i'm not

1400
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,280
i am definitely not a physicist

1401
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,280
uh but let me say one thing neil

1402
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,839
degrasse tyson love the guy

1403
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,240
smart guy he thinks of everything in a

1404
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,000
linear fashion that's why he can't

1405
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,960
accept it he just cannot accept anything

1406
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,680
that might be non-linear and uh if he

1407
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,559
knows

1408
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,480
uh what's going on like if he's been

1409
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,960
briefed let's say by government

1410
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,079
officials

1411
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:56,079
and said okay here's what's really going

1412
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,960
on

1413
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,040
but we want you to say this

1414
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,680
um i'm very disturbed by that i'm

1415
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,000
disturbed by anyone who's briefed and

1416
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:06,640
then signs up and with authority with

1417
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,440
scientific authority and signs up to

1418
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,040
debunking everything

1419
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:12,720
in spite of the fact that they know the

1420
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,240
truth oh i am very very i don't like i

1421
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,839
don't like that at all

1422
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,280
i think when you talk about those

1423
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,040
control rods i would expect neil

1424
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,440
degrasse tyson changing his tune one day

1425
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:25,200
to be one of those when he starts coming

1426
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,319
out with a different

1427
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,160
line of conversation which i think would

1428
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,920
be much welcomed because i used to be

1429
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,680
quite a big fan of neil degrasse tyson

1430
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:33,200
and i listened to his podcast a few

1431
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,240
years ago

1432
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,920
but since i got more involved in this

1433
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,319
subject and doing this podcast and you

1434
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,720
hear his opinions and the derogatory way

1435
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,119
he talks about the subject it just put

1436
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,160
me off him and as i i i struggle to see

1437
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,240
why any scientists would not be

1438
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,880
fascinated by this particular subject

1439
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,000
because it would be the greatest

1440
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,680
scientific discovery

1441
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,559
ever it's the greatest one possible

1442
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,839
well i have to believe that there are

1443
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,079
scientists working on this uh and of

1444
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:02,000
course there's there's that organization

1445
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,119
scu

1446
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,640
yeah um and they are very science based

1447
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,160
um the government has its own scientists

1448
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:12,240
um i'll bring up like

1449
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,520
dr eric w davis for example and dr

1450
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,760
halputov and others

1451
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,720
who are looking at it jack valet

1452
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,480
looking at it

1453
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,000
there are scientists who are looking at

1454
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:26,480
this and taking it seriously and i was

1455
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,559
uh most heartened that and i used uh

1456
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,040
the the seti institute for example is

1457
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,599
kind of changing its tune

1458
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,400
about um the extraterrestrial presence

1459
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,640
and the fact that you know this they

1460
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,799
they might actually

1461
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,319
they're looking for extraterrestrials

1462
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,599
way out there

1463
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,520
and they're kind of thinking okay maybe

1464
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,480
we need to look a little closer to home

1465
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,400
and so that's an organization that for a

1466
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,040
long time they were thinking linearly

1467
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,799
of you know sending signals out and

1468
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,359
waiting i mean she sent a single out

1469
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:00,480
um

1470
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,079
then you know it takes like tens of year

1471
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,480
is it like four or five years to get to

1472
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,160
maybe three to four years to get to the

1473
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,000
nearest star system

1474
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,599
you know and you're gonna wait a long

1475
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,160
time and so other star systems are like

1476
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:16,079
tens of light years away you're gonna be

1477
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,440
waiting a long time for an answer to

1478
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,280
come back but now they're saying it

1479
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,520
might be something closer

1480
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,599
i think with with seti it seems a little

1481
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,440
bit like the the the guy who was

1482
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,720
standing on the shore putting the

1483
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,160
message in a bottle and hoping for

1484
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,000
something would come back and maybe

1485
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
someone's come up and handed him a cell

1486
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,040
phone and that's why they've changed

1487
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,799
their tune so hopefully that's what's

1488
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,119
happened there

1489
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,880
john i want to ask you mentioned

1490
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,720
previously on an interview um a little

1491
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:43,280
bit about spoon bending which is a very

1492
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,960
interesting subject and jack hulk

1493
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,559
yes yes

1494
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,160
can you speak a little bit about that

1495
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,680
and to your knowledge how it may have

1496
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,119
been done

1497
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,960
well uh the best source of that is

1498
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,359
melinda leslie she's up in sedona

1499
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,880
arizona she was a good friend of jack

1500
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,200
howe uh let me explain how i know about

1501
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,440
jack hauck

1502
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,920
cia had a contract with his company

1503
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,559
mcdonald douglas

1504
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,319
and it was in huntington beach

1505
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,599
california

1506
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:13,280
and they provided us with analytics

1507
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,559
service

1508
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,040
mcdonald douglas these folks that worked

1509
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:19,760
for jack who's a senior executive

1510
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:23,280
uh had a a key role in designing and

1511
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,240
building

1512
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,960
the united states anti-ballistic missile

1513
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,359
system called safeguard so they knew

1514
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,880
about how those radars worked and how

1515
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,680
those uh abm interceptors worked

1516
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,000
and so we were looking at the equivalent

1517
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,440
back in the soviet union the us got rid

1518
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,599
of its anti-ballistic missile system

1519
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,559
it's still

1520
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,760
like

1521
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,319
there but it's not operational

1522
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,920
uh at uh

1523
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,599
in north dakota i think was where it was

1524
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,240
located at one of the dakotas

1525
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,799
um but we were looking at the soviet

1526
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,400
equivalent of that

1527
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,280
and so we're looking at radars um

1528
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,599
and this one particular radar

1529
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,040
is the one that

1530
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,400
was very unusual it's a s-band radar

1531
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,000
in the middle of s-man is three

1532
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,160
gigahertz i just want to let all the

1533
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,720
radar people out there know that you've

1534
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:14,720
heard three gigahertz before in the

1535
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,559
context of ufos uaps that seems to be a

1536
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,319
frequency

1537
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,000
um that has been associated in the past

1538
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,599
with ufos and uaps three gigahertz

1539
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,079
um and so this radar worked around that

1540
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,200
range

1541
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,520
and so it does what it's supposed to do

1542
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,319
i mean it you know the the soviets will

1543
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,799
launch missiles to test them they're

1544
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,559
testing the warheads the re-entry

1545
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,720
vehicles and these radars will track

1546
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,720
them well this particular radar is very

1547
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,720
unusual it's it's got a very usual

1548
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,839
waveform

1549
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,520
and um

1550
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,079
as well as and in fact this radar is

1551
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:54,960
almost the soviets called it a

1552
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,000
i think they call it a video radar

1553
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,480
uh the words that effect gets lost in

1554
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,680
translation now this radar could see 0.6

1555
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:04,799
meters

1556
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,960
resolution so imagine a radar signal

1557
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:10,559
that can actually

1558
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,079
uh detect something and provide a return

1559
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,240
back to the radar that you can visually

1560
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,440
see

1561
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,960
with 0.6 meters resolution per pixel

1562
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,280
um that's better than like you get the

1563
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,240
one meter per pixel using google earth

1564
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,760
that's even better than what you get on

1565
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,280
google earth

1566
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:31,680
so this is a very sophisticated radar

1567
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,680
so um long story short this radar was uh

1568
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,160
other than tracking their missile tests

1569
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,880
this radar was tracking something

1570
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,880
that would go through very

1571
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,480
detection

1572
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,880
uh acquisition and tracking waveforms

1573
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,960
that it was something in the sky

1574
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,880
that it was tracking now we just thought

1575
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,040
it was a test mode

1576
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,880
and so we took this um

1577
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,319
this the uh

1578
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,480
our analysis and our signals we gave

1579
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,160
mcdonald douglas

1580
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,680
uh the information

1581
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,160
about it and so his folks analyzed this

1582
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,079
radar that was tracking something up in

1583
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:09,359
the sky

1584
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,319
um

1585
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,040
but in terms of spoon bending jack hauck

1586
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,960
was also very interested in the

1587
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,880
metaphysical and paranormal

1588
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,599
and he introduced cia officers our our

1589
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,760
analysts who worked with him

1590
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,760
about spoon bending and so a lot of

1591
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,760
officers went to his house to spin

1592
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,160
spoons and they all came back saying

1593
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,160
yeah we bent the spoon i didn't go and i

1594
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,119
regret to this day that i didn't go

1595
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:35,440
uh to ben spoons with jack out

1596
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,319
um

1597
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,799
but they went there to to ben spoons and

1598
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,599
so

1599
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,280
that's the story about jack hauck but

1600
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,559
for the radar

1601
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:45,599
later um as the soviet union fell and we

1602
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,480
got

1603
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:48,720
more open source about what this radar

1604
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,319
was doing the soviets emitted

1605
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,000
the russians rather after the soviet

1606
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,920
union admitted that this radar was

1607
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:56,960
designed

1608
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,760
to track aerospace anomalies

1609
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,079
that was one of its functions and so we

1610
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,160
knew something was up there tracking

1611
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,720
aerospace anomalies

1612
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,880
up there and it's just uh interesting

1613
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,440
that jack hauck

1614
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,720
with his association with the

1615
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,960
intelligence community uh was also

1616
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,640
interested in and being explained so

1617
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,799
that might be a non-sequitur that's my

1618
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,640
jack house story

1619
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,119
for more information about jack halp you

1620
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,240
really need to talk to melinda leslie in

1621
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,680
sedona uh she's an experiencer and she

1622
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,160
has an interesting story to tell as well

1623
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,000
about it i know melinda yeah and it's

1624
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,599
probably probably a long overdue she's

1625
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:37,200
on the podcast at some point that might

1626
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,640
be a good prompt to get her on yes

1627
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,319
john now we've got a lot of listener

1628
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,839
questions to get through but i just want

1629
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,960
to ask you

1630
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,640
one or two things before we get there

1631
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,920
just to get make the most of the time

1632
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,760
that we have left now

1633
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,480
in your opinion and what you have gained

1634
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,160
from a knowledge point of view or those

1635
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,960
official or unofficial conversations

1636
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,000
from the point of view of the

1637
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,400
superpowers the united states russia and

1638
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:01,920
china

1639
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,040
do you think any or all of these have

1640
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,680
retrieved crashed craft

1641
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,559
and of of those who do you think has

1642
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:12,000
managed to best reverse engineer

1643
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,440
anything

1644
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,960
um

1645
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,000
i

1646
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,520
have never

1647
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:20,720
had any official confirmation

1648
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,559
about any foreign rehearsals of

1649
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:26,240
crashcraft

1650
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:32,950
i would say that the soviet union or

1651
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:36,880
russia probably has had the most success

1652
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,960
because they develop some very uh

1653
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,160
advanced

1654
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,520
aerospace

1655
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,839
uh technology

1656
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,079
more of a terrestrial origin and they

1657
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:50,000
are very advanced in that and

1658
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,520
like

1659
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,960
um

1660
01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:55,440
the sukhoi aircraft they're

1661
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,640
amazing the

1662
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,319
su-3035-57 series of sukhoi aircraft

1663
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,160
they're amazing

1664
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,039
the chinese are

1665
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,599
maybe a generation behind also very

1666
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,079
amazing but a generation behind

1667
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:12,640
and the russians have just had a

1668
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,710
keeping the us military on its toes just

1669
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:22,240
keeping up with them

1670
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,280
um

1671
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,920
people say well they stole it

1672
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:26,799
that's

1673
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,680
uh giving them no respect whatsoever for

1674
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:32,000
their own uh aerospace engineering

1675
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,599
they're very very good

1676
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,240
in fact you know they got sputnik up

1677
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,799
before we did they got satellite before

1678
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:39,680
we did

1679
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:42,799
uh developed a very good uh missile back

1680
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:45,599
in the early 50s the ss1 which we call

1681
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,039
the scud

1682
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,799
um and while we were still like

1683
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,359
tinkering around with the

1684
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:54,319
copies of the uh a4 or what we call the

1685
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,440
v2

1686
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,520
uh shooting off whatever we recovered

1687
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,839
and trying to reverse engineer that they

1688
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,760
actually just threw that away and just

1689
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:03,280
built their own

1690
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:06,799
um and so they're very advanced and

1691
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,760
i would say this if anything

1692
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,240
um i would suggest that

1693
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,839
don't assume

1694
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,079
that if there are meta materials or

1695
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,880
crash vehicles that it all came from the

1696
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:20,880
united states

1697
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,880
um there was a period in time when the

1698
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,039
soviet union fell as the russian

1699
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,359
federation was still trying to organize

1700
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:29,680
organize itself

1701
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,359
as um as a country uh that everything

1702
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,240
was for sale people were like selling

1703
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,160
everything and uh they gave an

1704
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,760
opportunity for the us government to

1705
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,280
pick up stuff

1706
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,480
uh from them um and so

1707
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,200
uh we were able to pick up a lot of

1708
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:49,280
uh

1709
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,480
a lot of equipment and so my theory i

1710
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,240
can't prove it

1711
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,799
my personal theory based on informed

1712
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,280
speculation is that some of the meta

1713
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:01,520
materials and

1714
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,000
bits and pieces of craft may have come

1715
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,160
from russian sources

1716
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,589
no that's great informed speculation is

1717
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:12,720
always nice to hear as well so i

1718
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,240
appreciate you sharing that

1719
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,319
john why do you think

1720
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,480
all of this that's happening now is

1721
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,960
happening now

1722
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,799
why is now the right time for us to be

1723
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,520
having congressional you know

1724
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,440
movement movement within the senate you

1725
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,760
know bills being put forward the talk of

1726
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,920
the subject at the un

1727
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:33,839
mainstream scientists getting involved

1728
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,240
why now what's your gut feeling

1729
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,000
july 2nd

1730
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:39,680
2022

1731
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,039
is the 75th anniversary of mr and mrs

1732
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,640
wilmot

1733
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,799
eyewitnessing

1734
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,480
the roswell craft

1735
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,119
overfly their home

1736
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,760
75th anniversary july 8th is the 75th

1737
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:55,920
anniversary of the infamous

1738
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,720
uh

1739
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,119
roswell daily record newspaper article

1740
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,960
announcing that the roswell army air

1741
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,640
force base

1742
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,400
has a flying saucer in its possession

1743
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,480
it's the 75th year

1744
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,039
and if anything maybe they want to cap

1745
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,520
it off saying okay

1746
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,359
enough is enough we'll we'll come out

1747
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:15,440
with some semblance more semblance of

1748
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,079
the truth we are able to reveal more

1749
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,039
the other thing to keep in mind is

1750
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,599
perhaps there's information in official

1751
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,760
channels again i don't know

1752
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:27,920
but this is a downloaded thing

1753
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:30,480
and if you ask experiencers that pretty

1754
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,599
much

1755
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:33,920
say something similar that it might be

1756
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:37,910
that

1757
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,880
will require an intervention

1758
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,720
from others

1759
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,280
from our visitor friends to help prevent

1760
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,599
could be some solar event whatever it is

1761
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,440
we might need some help

1762
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,599
in order to get that help we might need

1763
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,400
to reveal the presence of them

1764
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,559
so that they can help us so that's one

1765
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,160
aspect of it

1766
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:01,119
um i just i feel like there's something

1767
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,520
coming i just

1768
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:04,720
i just

1769
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,520
feel that and deep inside me and i can't

1770
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,200
prove it because you know it's a feeling

1771
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,520
i have it's a belief that i have

1772
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,280
and it's the most difficult thing to

1773
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:16,240
believe to prove is a belief

1774
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,920
and i can't prove it i don't have any

1775
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,920
documents saying this will happen

1776
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,319
but it's a personal belief that i hold

1777
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,480
um that that might be one of the major

1778
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,880
reasons why this is on a quickening

1779
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,799
scale

1780
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,640
well you've made quite an impact in a

1781
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,640
short time in the community and that

1782
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,400
shows with the strength of the questions

1783
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,839
that have come through for you and

1784
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,039
hopefully i've managed to get a good

1785
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,640
selection of them here because there are

1786
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,720
so many more that i had to leave out for

1787
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,960
for all sorts of reasons the first

1788
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,280
question comes from charlie and charlie

1789
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,359
wants to know that you mentioned louise

1790
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,160
elizondo can't say the word hybrids yes

1791
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,599
is this coming from a place of

1792
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,200
connecting the dots with information

1793
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:55,119
that's already in public or are you

1794
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,559
using gained knowledge from your

1795
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:57,839
previous role

1796
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:01,760
is the

1797
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,330
one of the

1798
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:05,359
[Music]

1799
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,599
pieces of information a very critical

1800
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:08,720
piece

1801
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:11,760
that i need to get back to cia

1802
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,559
and have them approve because in order

1803
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,640
to

1804
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,920
names

1805
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,160
and these are senior cia officers i

1806
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,680
don't have permission to name their

1807
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,720
names

1808
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,200
so if i get back and say here's where i

1809
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,000
was here's where this meeting occurred

1810
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,480
an approximate time frame because i

1811
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,400
don't have the exact month and date but

1812
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:36,640
i believe i have a year

1813
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,079
um it's about 2001 i believe could be

1814
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,039
2002 but i think 9 11 was about to

1815
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:44,720
happen it did not happen yet so i'm

1816
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,480
putting in summer of 2001 before

1817
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:51,119
9 11 in the fall of 2001 before

1818
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,400
september

1819
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,720
um that

1820
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:57,039
some i did receive some information

1821
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,319
officially

1822
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,359
i was with witnesses

1823
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,280
um that received this information and i

1824
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:05,680
need to lay out the groundwork

1825
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,589
so that's what i can say now

1826
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,750
no i appreciate that john next question

1827
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,839
from gareth when you were working for

1828
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,080
the cia did you ever hear anything about

1829
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:22,239
bob lazar and what do you think of his

1830
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,359
story

1831
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,199
let me preface uh going back to your

1832
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,679
previous question

1833
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:30,000
in order to do this as well as uh get

1834
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,040
permission to you know name names

1835
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,440
i am still waiting for and i had

1836
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,239
uh requested cia to provide me with

1837
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,400
medical records of an examination done

1838
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:43,440
by cia doctors

1839
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:44,719
so

1840
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,679
that's a teaser with a hybrid question

1841
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,759
there's something interesting that

1842
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,040
occurred

1843
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,359
medically that cia

1844
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,440
doctors did

1845
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,000
treat me for

1846
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,319
and may be extracted from

1847
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,040
um so i need to get that and that's not

1848
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,600
an foia cia officers have a way of

1849
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,679
communicating the cia and we can just

1850
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,359
say here

1851
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,640
can i say yes

1852
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:12,480
the shortcut and i'm sorry to interrupt

1853
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,149
uh yeah no the next one was on uh bob

1854
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,640
lazar had you heard anything yeah well

1855
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,560
working at the cia

1856
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:25,600
um

1857
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:28,960
you know how i heard about bob lazar

1858
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,600
on coast to coast am

1859
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,400
uh

1860
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:35,440
art bell as the host

1861
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:39,359
i think he was on with john

1862
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
lear

1863
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,799
and uh that's when i first heard bob

1864
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,319
lazar so

1865
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,239
other than that i i didn't know who bob

1866
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,799
lazar was from anyone in fact

1867
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,359
coast to coast am back in the day where

1868
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,040
for everyone that we're doing these

1869
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,960
podcasts before twitter

1870
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:56,960
uh that was the primary source of a lot

1871
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,159
of information that we ncia got in fact

1872
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,960
we could tell who were true

1873
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,199
saying who they were and who were false

1874
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,920
who were imposters just just listening

1875
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,920
to the first 10 minutes of whatever came

1876
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:11,360
out of their mouths

1877
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,880
but bob lazar uh that's how i learned so

1878
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,480
i don't know him

1879
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,199
and so i give everyone a benefit of a

1880
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:21,120
doubt until i can talk to them face to

1881
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,400
face

1882
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:24,719
and uh

1883
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,760
kind of in my own way be a judge of that

1884
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,480
what they're saying their veracity

1885
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,000
um i i

1886
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:34,080
i just have to it's one of those things

1887
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,280
i hold

1888
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,520
very lightly

1889
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:40,080
i accept like to say i embrace widely

1890
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:41,120
everything

1891
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,120
yeah sometimes you just gotta hold

1892
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:45,440
lightly and be able to drop and uh he's

1893
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,480
one of them

1894
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,239
i don't know

1895
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,239
are there any aspects of his story that

1896
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,440
you find particularly interesting

1897
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,080
uh well he tells a story about uh the

1898
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,320
sports model one of the the craft that

1899
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,480
he worked on called the sports model

1900
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,320
he talks about these uh gravity

1901
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,320
amplifiers or any gravity i think

1902
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,000
gravity amplifiers

1903
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,840
um and he talked about this was the one

1904
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,080
he tested and there were other like did

1905
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,719
he say minecraft something yeah they

1906
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,560
were like shot through like they were

1907
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,760
damaged

1908
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,840
um he tells that story

1909
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,560
uh in a place called s4

1910
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,440
um i find that to be interesting i know

1911
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,840
that i mean i cannot discount and no one

1912
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,080
should that people have gone to rachel

1913
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:31,199
nevada or gone close to

1914
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,239
the groomed lake facility detachment 3

1915
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,800
u.s air force flight test center that's

1916
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,159
the official name

1917
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,840
of edwards air force base that went

1918
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,840
there and they've seen craft that have

1919
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,560
remarkable aerodynamic properties

1920
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,640
yeah so i mean that's eyewitnesses some

1921
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,120
people videotaped that

1922
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,040
actually filmed it so you know there's

1923
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,800
something going on there

1924
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,760
but as far as mr lazarus personal

1925
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,440
involvement

1926
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,520
how do i know how does anyone know um

1927
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,800
either you believe him or you don't

1928
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,080
believe him

1929
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,159
but as far as there might be something

1930
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,719
advanced of an aerodynamic nature people

1931
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,080
have witnessed that so you can't we

1932
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,239
can't discount that

1933
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:13,120
sure next one is from trevor and trevor

1934
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,040
wants to know have you seen this skinny

1935
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,600
bob video and do you have any intel on

1936
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,320
its authenticity i have not seen uh the

1937
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,640
steamboat video so i can't address that

1938
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,360
but here's something homework for me

1939
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,280
yeah i can send you a link to that it's

1940
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,239
uh if you have you ever heard of it john

1941
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,400
i know i i've i've

1942
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,440
i know of skinny bar yeah

1943
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,600
okay

1944
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,120
and when you say you know of skinny bob

1945
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,640
i'm going to have to follow up is that

1946
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,320
because you've you've heard of skinny

1947
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,840
bob actually existing in some sort of

1948
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,440
facility or is that just you've heard of

1949
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:47,040
rumors of the video

1950
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:48,400
um

1951
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,080
a video

1952
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,000
okay that's that's an interesting one

1953
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,679
anything more to follow up on on that

1954
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,520
that you can or is that just again

1955
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:58,960
you've heard rumors

1956
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,560
i don't know when what context skinny

1957
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,400
bob has with this

1958
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,280
i've heard his that name associated with

1959
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,360
this entire phenomenon i don't know if

1960
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:11,040
he was ex-government experiencer i don't

1961
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,560
know

1962
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,320
i just been on twitter i mean is it does

1963
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:16,640
he have a twitter account i don't know

1964
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,080
it's a video of a grey um alien type

1965
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,120
being um filmed pretty old-fashioned

1966
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,360
style yeah and the nickname of it is

1967
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:27,920
skinny bob but it's it's never been

1968
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,960
discounted or been proven to be a hawks

1969
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,920
um if it's if it's genuine it's pretty

1970
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,480
stunning footage but i think the the

1971
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,800
quality of the footage

1972
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,040
more than likely points to it not being

1973
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,840
genuine or it's one of those like usa

1974
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,679
that's put out there as a control rod to

1975
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,520
test if this is in the public domain and

1976
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,600
it's genuine but i'll i'll get that link

1977
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,080
over to you john um

1978
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,960
oh i have uh another side uh comment

1979
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:56,880
about that related to that

1980
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,560
um at cia there's the uh the director of

1981
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,080
operations became the national

1982
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,640
clandestine service ncs

1983
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,560
so these these are the real spies to go

1984
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,159
overseas right

1985
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:11,440
yeah recruit uh agents to work for us so

1986
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,520
these these real spies were uh were uh

1987
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:18,320
led by an officer named jose

1988
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,679
rodriguez jose rodriguez

1989
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,840
on his retirement

1990
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:26,159
in the bubble or the auditorium if you

1991
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,920
look at pictures of cia you'll see a

1992
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,239
domed building that's the authority and

1993
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:31,840
we call it the bubble

1994
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,640
at his retirement ceremony

1995
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:37,040
the other senior officers as they were

1996
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,400
sending him off

1997
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:39,760
mention the fact

1998
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,719
that his nickname ncia was j-rod

1999
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:46,880
and j-rod is the name

2000
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,679
allegedly of a roswell uh crash survivor

2001
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,920
a little bit and so they called this guy

2002
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,239
who's very senior cia j-rock and

2003
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:58,080
everyone was laughing as if it was an

2004
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,440
inside joke

2005
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,239
so i'll leave you with that i

2006
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,679
i don't know how to follow up with that

2007
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,640
but

2008
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,400
no thanks and i've sent you over that

2009
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:08,239
youtube link for for afterwards you can

2010
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,920
check that out during happy hour and

2011
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,840
share your thoughts if you like

2012
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,920
diana had a couple of questions do you

2013
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,440
think that what we are seeing and

2014
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,000
experiencing of the phenomena is in any

2015
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:19,679
way related to what's described in

2016
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,870
ancient writings

2017
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,719
uh so she's getting at you know buddhist

2018
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,199
or vedic beliefs of how consciousness

2019
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,840
evolved or even going back to the bible

2020
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,520
when we hear of you know angels versus

2021
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,480
demons

2022
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,120
i'm not um familiar with the vedic

2023
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,920
writings i am familiar with the bible

2024
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,280
and it's

2025
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,870
here they are crossing the desert uh is

2026
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,719
it 40 years

2027
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:50,239
crossing the desert

2028
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:53,679
and they were fed by a cloud-like

2029
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,000
vehicle i would call it dropping food

2030
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,320
and supplies to them um from this

2031
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,560
cloud-like glowing vehicle

2032
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,880
um and receiving instructions on how to

2033
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:07,520
communicate with this vehicle

2034
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:08,320
and

2035
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,120
uh

2036
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,440
and that the priests have to wear

2037
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:13,679
certain uh garments

2038
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,560
that tend to appear to have

2039
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,719
some kind of

2040
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:20,800
material to protect them from

2041
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,679
electricity or electric charges

2042
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,520
so they would not be conduits they were

2043
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,640
insulated

2044
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,199
and so this vehicle they

2045
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,360
they made had metal in it and they you

2046
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,760
know the a lot of it is like

2047
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,120
an allegory

2048
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,440
but the idea was that if you didn't have

2049
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,960
these garments if you weren't a priest

2050
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,920
and you touched it you died immediately

2051
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:44,560
because it was probably charged in some

2052
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,360
way

2053
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,679
and but these priests would like put it

2054
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,760
in the holy of holies you know and only

2055
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:52,159
they can talk to the whoever is up in

2056
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,440
the cloud

2057
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:55,440
yeah that's a vehicle

2058
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,880
i mean there's like stories of um of the

2059
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:01,280
transfiguration

2060
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:03,040
of

2061
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,360
crucifixion

2062
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,600
uh he went to the mount of olives and

2063
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:11,199
that some of the disciples witnessed

2064
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:12,159
that

2065
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:12,880
uh

2066
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,120
two prophets beamed down and were

2067
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,400
talking to jesus

2068
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,480
and they were you know enveloped in some

2069
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,679
kind of light

2070
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,320
their stories of the messengers of god

2071
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,159
were angels

2072
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,000
coming to talk to people

2073
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,320
like abraham and they knew on site that

2074
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,800
these were not human and they said no

2075
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,640
they're from god so i mean their bible's

2076
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,920
full of

2077
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:35,520
all kinds of

2078
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,080
allegories that tend to you know support

2079
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,920
that

2080
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,320
absolutely i would love to read somebody

2081
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:44,159
needs to rewrite that from a uap

2082
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,199
perspective you know some a theologian

2083
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:48,800
who is a believer

2084
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,199
needs to rewrite a translation for the

2085
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,760
rest of us that we can read it's the

2086
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,080
greatest it'll be the greatest science

2087
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,280
fact story ever written i think even if

2088
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,880
it's not written an audio book would be

2089
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,159
great for some obviously don't have the

2090
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:04,080
time to read so yeah there's something

2091
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,159
to do for 2022. um diana also asks john

2092
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,840
do you think the recent tensions with

2093
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,920
russia and china could have anything to

2094
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,000
do with the usa getting closer to

2095
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,920
disclosing what they know about the uap

2096
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:18,159
phenomenon

2097
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,760
i think there might be other terrestrial

2098
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,280
reasons for that

2099
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,320
attention i don't think it's related to

2100
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,400
uaps necessarily

2101
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,600
um if anything i would hope that

2102
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,800
um aside from the uap issue

2103
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,189
that we were able to find some common

2104
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:39,520
ground in solving our differences i know

2105
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:40,640
russia

2106
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,360
is very concerned about

2107
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:45,920
for example its former eastern bloc

2108
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,070
joining nato

2109
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,760
they do not want that to happen they are

2110
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,440
concerned about

2111
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,000
poland uh accepting the patriot

2112
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,080
surfslayer missile system which the

2113
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,480
russians consider a threat to them

2114
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,960
um so there are a lot of terrestrial

2115
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,360
kind of reasons uh for china's

2116
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:07,360
tenth tends to be

2117
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,159
driven by economic concerns and

2118
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,679
taiwan

2119
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,640
and in fact uh president biden according

2120
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,520
to our new service cnn

2121
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,640
i saw a blurb on cnn that president

2122
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:22,400
biden made a statement

2123
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,320
that we would not defend taiwan

2124
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,239
that tends to play into what the chinese

2125
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,000
wanted to hear

2126
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:32,400
so i think it's very interesting and

2127
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,440
again i said before that the cia and the

2128
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,400
chinese have worked closely together in

2129
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,480
spying on the russians

2130
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,440
providing to chinese with technology

2131
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,840
you talk about an unintended consequence

2132
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,440
we provided them with extremely

2133
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,280
sophisticated computers

2134
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:52,239
we provided them with uh well as you

2135
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:55,840
know in in the uk there's men with hill

2136
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:00,640
a big nsa gchq facility

2137
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,760
and we basically built a small copy of

2138
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,880
men with hill all over china

2139
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,199
in various places to spy on the soviet

2140
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:10,639
union so

2141
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,600
um we had close cooperation with with

2142
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,280
the chinese

2143
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:17,040
i don't know what that corporation might

2144
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,440
have been after 2009 because i left cia

2145
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,920
but definitely apparently in 2016 uh

2146
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,760
2017 rather

2147
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:27,280
during the previous administration off

2148
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:29,199
that cut canned

2149
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,239
as we said

2150
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:32,080
that was damaged considerably and i

2151
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,360
believe the us government is trying to

2152
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,120
repair some of that

2153
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:37,280
relationship so i mean my iphone is

2154
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:40,639
still made in china you know yeah

2155
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:42,400
i mean

2156
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,400
with your best customers because they

2157
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,239
are the producer nation and the united

2158
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:50,320
states is uh more and more a consumer

2159
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:51,440
nation

2160
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,950
next question john m was from newman and

2161
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,239
newman wants to know what are your

2162
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:03,440
thoughts on skinwalker ranch

2163
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,480
uh i i heard about skinwalker ranch

2164
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,880
again through coast coast am

2165
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:11,040
through uh guest appearances by uh

2166
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,639
robert bigelow

2167
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,880
uh with uh uh

2168
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,960
like george nuri i mean that was

2169
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,040
that was quite the topic

2170
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,520
of seeing uh these these various uh

2171
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,520
manifestations of

2172
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,920
a very disturbing manifestations uh

2173
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,280
occurring

2174
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,800
um

2175
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:30,080
and so

2176
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,229
i would say this that now that we've

2177
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,320
known that the government officially has

2178
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:40,320
stated that

2179
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,760
that there's

2180
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,840
disturbing manifestations of the

2181
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,920
phenomenon with the capital p let me

2182
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,840
preface by saying

2183
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,480
that in government everything everything

2184
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,800
you know the craft the beings the light

2185
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:55,040
beings the you know whatever the

2186
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,480
channelers

2187
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:59,360
uh provide the experiencers

2188
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,080
um all the disturbing aspects like we

2189
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,560
see at skinwalkers is labeled under the

2190
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,520
big

2191
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,840
phenomenon with a capital p

2192
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,080
so there are disturbing aspects of that

2193
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,040
phenomenon that are difficult to explain

2194
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,320
um and it i hope that the government

2195
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,880
continue to investigate that

2196
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,840
um

2197
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,920
one thing i would add that

2198
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,000
for a long time i didn't think that

2199
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,040
anything to do with uh dolce new mexico

2200
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,719
was legitimate

2201
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,159
i thought you know okay does somebody

2202
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,840
make that up dolce new mexico what's

2203
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,120
there you know what that doesn't see

2204
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:35,440
anybody there but strangely enough in

2205
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,320
like dr lakatsky's book skin workers at

2206
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:40,239
the pentagon he mentioned that one of

2207
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:41,040
the

2208
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,000
uh

2209
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,639
candidate sites to put more sensors

2210
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,199
is dolce new mexico

2211
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:49,199
if you look at the ufo literature you

2212
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:52,719
know there's been reportings of alien

2213
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:56,000
presence at dolce new mexico and uh

2214
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,520
even as far as to say that there was

2215
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,280
some kind of conflict

2216
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,840
between humans and that presence

2217
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,360
indulging in new mexico and i used to

2218
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,520
dismiss that now i can't do that anymore

2219
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,679
because in the book it says

2220
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,280
there's something at delta new mexico we

2221
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:11,199
need to take a closer look at

2222
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:14,159
so yeah i mean um

2223
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:14,800
i

2224
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,880
the pentagon

2225
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,040
yeah don't do not do not do what i did

2226
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,040
read it at night

2227
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,840
yeah well i spoke to calm and george two

2228
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,679
of the authors just a few weeks ago so

2229
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,360
that was nice to to speak to them about

2230
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,040
the book as well and some some

2231
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,120
fascinating stories again that came from

2232
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:42,960
that so so yeah definitely check that

2233
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:45,440
one out folks um kelly has a question

2234
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,880
that i would have asked you but when i

2235
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,639
saw kelly asking it i thought i would i

2236
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,000
would credit her

2237
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:52,159
what is your current idea as to what the

2238
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,709
i think um okay so

2239
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,440
for myself i have to break it down into

2240
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,199
three categories

2241
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,280
and this is just to keep myself sane and

2242
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:08,159
keep wrap my mind around it

2243
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,440
um and so um the the

2244
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:13,040
the part that

2245
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:17,840
was documented uh by the work of

2246
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:20,560
bigelow uh

2247
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:21,600
prior

2248
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,719
to

2249
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,480
uh the dia showing up but you know

2250
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,520
robert bigelow had his other effort

2251
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:30,480
um to investigate skinwalker

2252
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,360
um

2253
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,840
and then with the current

2254
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,800
the most recent dia

2255
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,719
manifestations of what they collected

2256
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,120
this disturbing aspect so i call that

2257
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,800
the strangers

2258
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,480
because i don't know i personally i

2259
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,000
can't explain it so i just call it the

2260
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,400
strangers they're manifesting in ways

2261
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:50,800
that i can't explain that seem very

2262
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,000
disturbing so i call that the strangers

2263
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,960
that middle category um i call the the

2264
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,480
visitors

2265
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:00,800
and i truly believe that there are

2266
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,149
and that they're manifesting it

2267
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,639
themselves to us

2268
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,120
people see craft people see metallic

2269
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:13,199
craft flying

2270
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,800
over our skies

2271
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,280
people have encounters

2272
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,760
that experiences we relate to so these

2273
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:21,600
are the visitors and also the chandler's

2274
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,639
talk about the pledge that turns

2275
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,560
um

2276
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,239
coming here to help us

2277
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,750
those

2278
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:33,679
manifestations under that label of

2279
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,639
visitors they're from not here

2280
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,840
but then

2281
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,040
the more controversial one is i call the

2282
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:43,199
residence

2283
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,239
that

2284
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,639
they were here before we were

2285
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:50,080
and that they may have they may have had

2286
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,280
some

2287
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,239
contribution to enhancing or

2288
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:56,719
accelerating our evolution and the fact

2289
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,080
that they may still be here

2290
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,400
and so i call those the residents so we

2291
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:03,920
have strangers

2292
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,400
visitors and residents

2293
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,960
the most interesting are the residents

2294
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,120
because what i would like to know and i

2295
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:13,679
don't know but i would like to know if

2296
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,679
our government the us government your

2297
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,719
government in uk or russia or china

2298
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:20,400
do have these governments around the

2299
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,679
world

2300
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:23,760
interacted with these residents in any

2301
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,320
way and that because

2302
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,520
that would like

2303
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:29,040
overturn

2304
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:30,400
our

2305
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,600
um

2306
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:32,880
comfort

2307
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,199
zone to how we developed um

2308
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,040
that that that's the real secret that

2309
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,880
are keeping quiet because we have to

2310
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,920
like talk about et's first and average

2311
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:46,080
mention that word and then maybe we can

2312
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,360
jump toward hence that 70 000 years ago

2313
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:51,120
as louis said that that some

2314
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,159
intervention occurred to enhance our dna

2315
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,800
and that maybe that those who enhanced

2316
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,280
our dna are still concerned about what

2317
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,960
they did they didn't leave they're still

2318
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:02,639
watching over us

2319
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,000
um and in my mind when i see them

2320
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,120
i see saurons sarians what people call

2321
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,760
reptilian i don't like to use that word

2322
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:13,520
uh i see sarians

2323
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,639
uh other people see mantis beings

2324
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,520
and other manifestations of these beings

2325
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,840
uh maybe some of them are from visitors

2326
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,520
elsewhere but maybe some of them are

2327
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,440
still from here so i call those

2328
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,880
residents and that's the only way i can

2329
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:28,960
like put it together because like you

2330
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,679
can't just go from like one to the other

2331
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,280
you can't throw away the nuts and bolts

2332
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,440
and accept just the experiencers vice

2333
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,120
versa you can't just accept the

2334
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,360
experiencers and the channelers and then

2335
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,760
just throw away the nuts and bolts

2336
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:44,159
and you know that's right that's a huge

2337
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,440
battle in this community we're just

2338
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,280
tearing each other apart

2339
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:48,880
talking about things like that instead

2340
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:51,600
of like sharing and accepting that there

2341
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,719
may be some credence to

2342
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,960
the other person's experience with this

2343
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:58,480
phenomenon you know

2344
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,440
yeah

2345
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,199
and you're right that conversation for

2346
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,520
the the mainstream and then the 99 the

2347
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:06,800
general public it's easier to accept the

2348
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:08,800
confirmation one day of like were found

2349
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,440
daily in life on mars or venus or some

2350
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,679
other planet in the solar system or even

2351
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,600
to capture a picture of a flying saucer

2352
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,679
that's coming in from space that we see

2353
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,520
in all the hollywood movies as opposed

2354
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,920
to look we aren't alone on this planet

2355
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,600
there's something else that would

2356
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,920
terrify people that regardless what

2357
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:27,520
folks say that would terrify the general

2358
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:30,320
public and i think that's the reason why

2359
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:31,280
one of the

2360
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,159
in 2017 those three videos were released

2361
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:38,560
i'm hoping for more videos

2362
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:44,470
well the resonance my hypothesis

2363
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,480
about the residence

2364
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,199
is kind of in my mind in just my mind

2365
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,960
not officially my mind is supported by

2366
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:52,080
the fact that

2367
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,120
some of these craft uh emerge out of and

2368
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,040
emerge back into the water

2369
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,000
yeah then pull to pole kind of uh

2370
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:01,920
sightings i'll say this

2371
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:02,800
um

2372
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,800
i would like to do at foia

2373
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:08,719
to the government

2374
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:12,480
to uh get the 100 forgetting about the

2375
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:13,440
balloon

2376
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,679
the 144th throw that away the 143

2377
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,280
um

2378
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,960
pieces of evidence that the government

2379
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:22,320
has has

2380
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,360
collected

2381
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,280
you know what's missing from that

2382
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,679
dates and times

2383
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:29,840
you know like 2004 that's the only date

2384
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,960
we have 2004 november uh 12 2004 tic tac

2385
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,040
and we have the others you know the two

2386
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,360
we have dates and times right yeah well

2387
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:40,880
that's three

2388
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:46,320
of the others

2389
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,159
give me the dates and times so that we

2390
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,800
can correlate where did you see this

2391
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,560
and when did they occur

2392
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,480
so that people who may have experienced

2393
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,880
these craft in their own way can say oh

2394
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,639
that's the one i saw

2395
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,239
i think that's very important because

2396
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,080
some of these i think are like coming

2397
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:04,159
from the earth and going back into the

2398
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,000
earth or coming out of the water and

2399
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,480
going back into the water

2400
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,719
john i i'm sure you're reading my

2401
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,320
questions because the next listener

2402
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,960
question was from obie and obi wanted to

2403
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,960
know do you know any terms people can

2404
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,679
use for foia that could help crack this

2405
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,199
whole thing open is there anything

2406
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,120
specifically people should

2407
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,199
write or use as a keyword when they're

2408
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:27,120
writing these depends on who you're

2409
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,400
writing to

2410
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:30,000
um depending on what agency you're

2411
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:31,280
writing to

2412
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,520
um like a lot

2413
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:35,840
nga is probably i'm not nga's favorite

2414
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:38,560
person because i reveal that nga is the

2415
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:40,239
intelligence agency that people should

2416
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,679
send foils to

2417
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:44,080
because they collect the the video uh

2418
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,760
they collect the imagery they collect

2419
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:47,199
the infrared

2420
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,400
the collective visual evidence

2421
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,639
but for example

2422
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,440
we never say satellite now we say

2423
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,560
national technical means

2424
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:00,480
mtm

2425
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,440
we never say documents we say iir

2426
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,679
ir stands for imagery uh imagery

2427
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:07,679
intelligence report

2428
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,840
it's not just uh they're not gonna give

2429
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:11,760
you uh pictures

2430
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:13,120
they're not gonna give you pictures

2431
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:15,360
because the those those

2432
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:18,239
the imagery they have will reveal how

2433
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:19,440
well

2434
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:23,199
we can image this planet from space

2435
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:26,400
from low earth orbit it is phenomenal i

2436
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,679
revealed that

2437
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,840
commercial on a class unclassified

2438
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:31,760
maxart technologies

2439
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:33,440
is um

2440
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,400
25 centimeters maximum the government

2441
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:39,199
allows 25 centimeters per pixel

2442
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:40,960
from uh

2443
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:43,760
over 600 kilometers in the sky

2444
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:45,199
and that's amazing

2445
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,360
you know take your ruler out and measure

2446
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,000
25 centimeters square

2447
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,400
and then put something on that 25

2448
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:54,480
centimeter square and then go straight

2449
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,679
up

2450
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,159
over 600 kilometers and be able to see

2451
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:00,480
that on the ground that's phenomenal

2452
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:03,040
yeah that's unclassified

2453
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:06,239
you can imagine classify is way better

2454
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:07,520
than that

2455
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:12,000
can say about how well the u.s

2456
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:14,320
government can collect imagery they're

2457
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:15,360
not going to give you that kind of

2458
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:16,560
imagery

2459
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:19,120
um but there are commercial satellites

2460
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,159
so i i would ask for like forget about

2461
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,320
asking for commercial satellite imagery

2462
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:25,600
or anything like that they're not going

2463
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:27,520
to give you that what you want is the

2464
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:30,960
imagery intelligence report

2465
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:32,880
regarding uh

2466
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:36,960
any any uap activity

2467
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,960
that the national geospatial

2468
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:40,800
intelligence agency

2469
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,080
may have disseminated

2470
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:46,480
and then though that might be a starting

2471
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:49,600
point i'm working with like independent

2472
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:52,239
people to help with their language

2473
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,120
i did one on crop circles already

2474
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:57,840
um i might just throw that out uh as an

2475
01:33:02,470 --> 01:32:59,840
example of how to

2476
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,480
use that language

2477
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:04,080
excellent no thank you for that that's

2478
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:05,520
that's a good one thanks obi that was a

2479
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:07,120
good question yeah

2480
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,920
john i had a question from tam and tam

2481
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,000
wanted to know why do you think the air

2482
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:14,480
force is insisting on avoiding the uap

2483
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:17,360
conversation at the moment

2484
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:22,790
um

2485
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,800
if anything the air force is resisting

2486
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,080
i think

2487
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,960
any exploitation

2488
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:32,960
of this

2489
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,880
phenomenon

2490
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,040
to

2491
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:38,960
reverse engineer some marvelous

2492
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,280
technology that they're holding back

2493
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,040
and they're going to use in case they

2494
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:44,960
need it you know break glass in case of

2495
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,159
fire

2496
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,000
uh and pull the handle i think they're

2497
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:51,120
reserving that um i used that example

2498
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:54,400
of the stealth aircraft

2499
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,520
the plans for it were received in 1969

2500
01:34:02,470 --> 01:33:59,760
from a soviet mathematician

2501
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,480
and in 1970 they were like starting to

2502
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,400
work in the 70s starting to work on what

2503
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,960
you saw in 1990

2504
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:09,040
so the f-117

2505
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:10,960
uh stealth fighter

2506
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,880
which isn't not really much of a fighter

2507
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:15,199
since it doesn't carry any weapons

2508
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:16,480
except bombs

2509
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,320
um and it came

2510
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,000
it's vulnerable to being attacked by

2511
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:22,480
another fighter but stealth fighter for

2512
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:24,560
example you saw in 1990 during the first

2513
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:27,360
golf war that thing's been flying for

2514
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,360
at least a couple of maybe a decade and

2515
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,800
a half

2516
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:32,400
when skunk works actually produced it

2517
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:33,840
and start flying it

2518
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,400
out of area 51

2519
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:38,560
so that's what they're hiding uh they're

2520
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:41,199
reluctant to talk about any exploitation

2521
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,639
of technology

2522
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:44,000
that may have come

2523
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:46,960
not from this earth let's say as far as

2524
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:49,280
everything else um i think they're going

2525
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,560
to be

2526
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,840
more and more

2527
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:53,280
able to share

2528
01:35:03,109 --> 01:34:59,910
the dia has sort of broken the ice

2529
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:03,119
describing uh rectangular craft

2530
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,719
that witnesses have seen it's in the

2531
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:06,880
likatsky book you can read out

2532
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:09,600
rectangular craft about orbs

2533
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:11,520
you can read all about that

2534
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:12,639
and so

2535
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,119
with that being said i think the future

2536
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:17,360
is that they will be more

2537
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,320
able to

2538
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,480
release information especially us space

2539
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:22,000
force

2540
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,560
because they they are responsible for

2541
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:26,320
everything from

2542
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:27,280
the

2543
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,000
space begins and on up

2544
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,000
so i would look to us space force

2545
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:36,639
actually being the one more able to talk

2546
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:38,480
about in the future

2547
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:40,880
well speaking of looking up further tam

2548
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,119
also wanted to know what can you tell us

2549
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,360
about what to what to expect when the

2550
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,280
james webb telescope

2551
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:48,880
is unveiled and what you think it may

2552
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:50,000
find

2553
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,560
um well the james webb telescope to be

2554
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,719
sure it is not like hubble

2555
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,880
hubble is an optical scope that has some

2556
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,960
ir capabilities that it can actually

2557
01:36:01,189 --> 01:36:00,159
filter

2558
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:01,199
uh

2559
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:03,920
some of the light to determine like

2560
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,040
what uh what the composition of that

2561
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,960
light might be in terms of gases on

2562
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,480
another planet

2563
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:12,800
the james white telescope is ir

2564
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:15,600
and infrared and it's going to see

2565
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,239
things that um

2566
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,719
we're not able to see with hubble

2567
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,080
it will see

2568
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,280
in below what we can see with our own

2569
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:27,840
eyes what hubble can detect with its own

2570
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:29,760
mirrors and lenses

2571
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:32,000
um so it's not like a telescope in our

2572
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,000
in the sense that it's a long scope with

2573
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,000
like lenses and stuff you know it's not

2574
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:38,080
like that it's not a total lens on your

2575
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:39,840
camera in space

2576
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,800
um there's sensors that are cool to darn

2577
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:44,880
near absolute zero

2578
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,040
to freeze the mirror so there's no

2579
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:49,520
vibration of the atoms that make up that

2580
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:50,560
mirror

2581
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:54,080
so there's no vibration in the um

2582
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:55,600
the electronics

2583
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:57,440
package that flies with it that

2584
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,400
processes that image they cool it down

2585
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,159
um

2586
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,239
in the absolute zero range

2587
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:07,040
and so it's gonna be like no

2588
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:08,880
interference whatsoever so you're gonna

2589
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,760
get clear concise images of the energy

2590
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,960
out there

2591
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,360
the electromagnetic in the infrared

2592
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,520
region energy that's out there and

2593
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,440
you're gonna see space that we've never

2594
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,719
seen before

2595
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,000
you're going to see

2596
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:24,080
manifestations of that energy you've

2597
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:28,159
never seen before and my personal hope

2598
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,800
is that james webb space telescope

2599
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,960
will be able to detect

2600
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,800
the appearance of

2601
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,840
um

2602
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:37,840
craft coming into our solar system and

2603
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,920
leaving our solar system if they leave a

2604
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:41,600
energy wake

2605
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,400
uh

2606
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,719
in its path i'm hoping that that would

2607
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:45,760
happen

2608
01:37:50,950 --> 01:37:49,199
um it's designed to peer like 200

2609
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:50,960
million years after the big bang they're

2610
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:52,639
going like way back

2611
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,520
it's an effect a time machine of its own

2612
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:58,000
if you if you want to use that word

2613
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,920
loosely and the fact that they can look

2614
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:01,679
at something because light takes so long

2615
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,400
to travel they can go all the way back

2616
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,639
and look at light as it left the

2617
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,119
singularity we call the big bang 200

2618
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:11,040
million years after

2619
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,760
and

2620
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,360
with the estimated

2621
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,840
universe the age of the universe that's

2622
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:18,000
almost instantaneous to the creation of

2623
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:19,280
the universe and that's what they want

2624
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,159
to see

2625
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:22,320
that's what's out there northrop grumman

2626
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,600
teases

2627
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,040
and norfolk grumman is the system

2628
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,840
integrator northrop grumman teases that

2629
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:29,679
the jaseway telescope

2630
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,229
looking back in the time and might tell

2631
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:40,400
us the origins of humans where we came

2632
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:41,199
from

2633
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,639
and who we are

2634
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,639
it's in their literature about the james

2635
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,800
wood telescope so i have great hopes for

2636
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:48,159
that

2637
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:52,000
listener questions john and then very

2638
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:53,600
quickly to finish off with a quick fire

2639
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,119
in the remaining time we have before you

2640
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,679
hit that happy hour bar um dave wants to

2641
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,159
know really interesting question do you

2642
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,760
think that they were out there trying to

2643
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,320
get a reaction from phenomena during the

2644
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,040
recent uss russell and uss omaha

2645
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,440
incidents that we saw the footage from

2646
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:11,600
yeah i saw that footage um i would say

2647
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:14,000
this that the infrared image you saw

2648
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:17,119
that green screen a little circle

2649
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:20,480
that is not the infrared system on board

2650
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:23,119
uss omaha it has a very sophisticated

2651
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,239
system

2652
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,480
so that looked like someone's night

2653
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,760
vision

2654
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,960
equipment

2655
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,119
that's not the official

2656
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,840
equipment on board uh the us's omaha it

2657
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,679
is remarkable um

2658
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,080
but as far as the that's one where the

2659
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,560
detected triangular craft

2660
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:41,760
i believe

2661
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:44,080
yeah yes on both of those

2662
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:50,390
sometimes i wonder if

2663
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:53,199
they are they being whoever's driving

2664
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,560
these craft

2665
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,280
are basically saying here we are go find

2666
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,360
come find us you know just here's some

2667
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:01,520
more things to look at it's almost like

2668
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:03,840
they're putting on a show for us

2669
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:06,880
and that's that's my take on it

2670
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,760
um but i looked at that image and i

2671
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:11,760
looked at the scope picture now i used

2672
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:12,560
to

2673
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,600
be in the navy and i know what um

2674
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:17,679
the tactical data system looks looks

2675
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:20,719
like i know the symbology used now

2676
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,440
mil-spec 2525 there's certain symbology

2677
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,800
on that scope

2678
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,280
or unknown unidentified uh airborne

2679
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:29,760
contact i did not see it on the scope

2680
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,280
image and also i point out that in cic

2681
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:36,159
uh you're not going to be taking

2682
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,840
personal images

2683
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,199
of that scope

2684
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,040
that's not going to happen

2685
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:43,040
that that does not happen so i don't

2686
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:45,040
know where that image came from i don't

2687
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,880
know if it's official because in the

2688
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,760
navy

2689
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,760
you can actually record that scope image

2690
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,679
electronically

2691
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,679
and you can actually record the radar

2692
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,920
data electronically you can go back

2693
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,320
and look at that data precisely

2694
01:41:02,229 --> 01:40:59,840
um so

2695
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,239
i i don't i question that

2696
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:04,560
i don't question the fact that the craft

2697
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,840
appeared

2698
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,679
um i questioned because the navy said

2699
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,840
yes the craft did appear that they said

2700
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,000
yeah the craft appeared and they said

2701
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:14,320
yeah that looks like what we saw but i

2702
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,880
don't know if that's official navy

2703
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,960
uh imagery it doesn't look official

2704
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,480
maybe imagery it looks like someone

2705
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:22,560
snuck a video in

2706
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:23,520
and

2707
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,880
the point is there's better imagery that

2708
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:28,880
the government has that it's not

2709
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,000
revealing but they allow the teasers

2710
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,880
taken by individuals to show up but i

2711
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:37,199
want the real image

2712
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:39,119
yeah those those teasers still ended up

2713
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,840
on cnn fox good morning america and

2714
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,440
other news networks around the world and

2715
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,440
like you say those control rods if

2716
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,800
you're going to do it that's a good way

2717
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,639
kind of testing the water for the

2718
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,440
general populace um final question john

2719
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:53,679
from mark and we keep hearing and you

2720
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:55,520
mentioned it john that there is a 23

2721
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:59,040
minute video of a uap or uaps

2722
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,679
given that the us degraded spy satellite

2723
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:03,840
photos in the cold war to ensure our

2724
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,080
enemies didn't know our exact technical

2725
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:08,719
capabilities is there any valid reason

2726
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:10,480
that the dod could not release the

2727
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,920
23-minute video degraded so to speak so

2728
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:15,760
it does not reveal any sensitive

2729
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,320
information or capabilities

2730
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,960
um that's a good question for lewis

2731
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,880
the only reason why i know about the 23

2732
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:24,320
minute video is because he said there

2733
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:27,840
was a 23 minute video he has yet know

2734
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:30,560
um but to answer the broader question

2735
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,119
um as far as imagery goes um

2736
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,920
i don't see why not they can't release

2737
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:38,639
the

2738
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,639
is

2739
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,679
i don't know if it's from a us air force

2740
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,520
aircraft with cameras on board because

2741
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,880
we have several

2742
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:52,480
uh what we call

2743
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,159
intelligent surveillance reconnaissance

2744
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,360
isr aircraft in fact a lot of them fly

2745
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,600
from the uk

2746
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,480
a combat scent uh combat scent and rivet

2747
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,679
joint

2748
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,119
there's cobra ball

2749
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:07,199
flying in the pacific but cover ball can

2750
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,840
also fly

2751
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:10,800
elsewhere um but

2752
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:12,800
they have some specific sophisticated

2753
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:14,000
cameras

2754
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,360
and they can be easily downgraded um

2755
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,040
because it doesn't show national

2756
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:20,639
technical means they're more tactical in

2757
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:21,679
nature

2758
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,920
can i ask your opinion john and this is

2759
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,360
because you mentioned that you talked

2760
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:26,719
about those satellites being able to

2761
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,000
find an image on a 25 centimeter square

2762
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:33,040
paper from 600 kilometers now with with

2763
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,480
this footage i think there's always an

2764
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:36,960
assumption that it's taking over over

2765
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:39,440
u.s space or water is there a chance

2766
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,199
that the 23 minute video is filmed using

2767
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:45,280
equipment over north korea and that the

2768
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:50,320
u.s has footage of of this uap or uaps

2769
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,840
but it's over an area that they

2770
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,520
shouldn't be looking at so that's why

2771
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:55,199
it's not allowed to be released

2772
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:56,880
um the north koreans know we're

2773
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,440
overflying their territory oh well you

2774
01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:01,199
know north korea russia china just

2775
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,239
whatever but

2776
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,270
would that even make a difference to you

2777
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,840
no because i mean we know that uh this

2778
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,679
the russians fl overfly our territorial

2779
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,520
satellites the chinese overflyer

2780
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,040
territories

2781
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:17,040
chinese overfly russia

2782
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:18,000
you know

2783
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:19,440
like russia i mean we all reply

2784
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,560
everybody

2785
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:22,960
um and with especially with russia i

2786
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,360
mean we have a treaty agreements that we

2787
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,600
can inspect each other's uh for example

2788
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:28,960
missile silos

2789
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:31,040
we exchanged data i mean every time the

2790
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:32,800
russians were fight

2791
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,960
in the new start treaty five times per

2792
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:36,719
year the russians will deliver their

2793
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,960
telemetry data about their missiles to

2794
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:39,679
us

2795
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:42,560
we'll deliver our tests about our uh

2796
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:46,159
icbms to russia i mean we had china we

2797
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:47,199
had

2798
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:48,880
russian officers

2799
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:51,760
inside a top secret lab

2800
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,040
because they were installing the

2801
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,600
equipment we needed to use to spend

2802
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:56,880
their tapes

2803
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,639
so to speak and we we cia had our

2804
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,880
technicians our engineers our analysts

2805
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,800
in their labs because they needed to

2806
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:06,159
spend our tapes

2807
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,400
i mean you'd be you'd be surprised the

2808
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,400
cooperation amongst intelligence

2809
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:11,920
services there's almost like a

2810
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,480
professional courtesy kind of thing you

2811
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:15,760
know we

2812
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,520
to the bar

2813
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,440
have happy hour together it's that kind

2814
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,520
of relationship in many cases

2815
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,320
um it's not adversarial um the proxies

2816
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,040
are adversarial to answer that question

2817
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:31,199
i don't see why i mean

2818
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,159
the

2819
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,880
north koreans know what we're looking at

2820
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,199
uh because we go to the the six-party

2821
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:39,440
talks we told the korean north koreans

2822
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:40,960
hey we know you're you have a nuclear

2823
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,400
facility here

2824
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,119
in ponge here's a picture of it i don't

2825
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,880
know what's going on here i mean they

2826
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,880
know so i don't think

2827
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,520
i don't think that would preclude

2828
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:53,199
showing it i i i

2829
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:54,800
can't see any reason but which is good

2830
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:56,239
to hear and that's just the case well i

2831
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,000
say it's good in one way but it's just

2832
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,320
being kept back for for other reasons

2833
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,000
that might not be valid i don't know

2834
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,159
maybe it's that somebody made a decision

2835
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,159
let's leave that rod in the in the

2836
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,840
nuclear reactor and not pull it out

2837
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,280
because that might cause a chain

2838
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:11,520
reaction with unintended consequences i

2839
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:12,560
don't know

2840
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,350
john we're almost out of time i'd like

2841
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,600
to finish off the quick fire i've got um

2842
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,440
five subjects i'd like you to share just

2843
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,119
a couple of words on a sentence about

2844
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:26,880
that we've not managed to talk about yet

2845
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:29,760
in the body of the interview

2846
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,040
so the first one that you've actually

2847
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,800
mentioned very briefly about crop

2848
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,800
circles yeah

2849
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,400
what are your thoughts

2850
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:38,080
um

2851
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:39,920
i believe in cross circles i believe

2852
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,159
there are messages in crop circles

2853
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,800
um i have to believe that if there are

2854
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,400
messages in crop circles it's not

2855
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,400
ignored and the agency that will

2856
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:50,159
probably

2857
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:51,760
nga would be the agency that would have

2858
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:54,000
taken pictures of crop circles by the

2859
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:57,440
way we cannot image the uk

2860
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,920
uh it's agreement that we don't spy spy

2861
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:01,920
we're spying on friends

2862
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:04,719
so we do not image the uk um so most of

2863
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,520
a lot of cross circles occur in the uk

2864
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:10,000
um but we can't image that

2865
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,800
but

2866
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,880
the uk government can

2867
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:15,119
and so um

2868
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:17,280
i would have to believe and i'm going

2869
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:19,760
way over time the nsa might be able to

2870
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:20,800
interpret

2871
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:22,400
what's in the crops across terms of a

2872
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,639
message

2873
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,480
the next one would be your thoughts on

2874
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:28,239
remote defuming

2875
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:28,510
um

2876
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,679
[Music]

2877
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:32,560
i actually uh have two remote viewing

2878
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:33,520
courses

2879
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,520
uh marketed by major ed danes

2880
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:39,600
one is a very old one vhs and one's a

2881
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,709
it's a true i actually seen

2882
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:48,320
remote viewing

2883
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:49,280
products

2884
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,719
i didn't know they were remote viewing

2885
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,400
they didn't tell me and the remote

2886
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,840
viewers didn't know where their products

2887
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:55,840
went so they do their drawings that

2888
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:58,480
write up their reports and it gets filed

2889
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,360
away

2890
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:01,440
what it does is what happens is it comes

2891
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:03,920
to the weapons analyst if it's a weapon

2892
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:06,480
to dia cia so i actually had remote

2893
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:08,800
viewing products i met uh

2894
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:09,840
uh

2895
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,000
paul smith dr paul smith was a remote

2896
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,480
viewer and he grew up at breakfast he

2897
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,320
drew out something that he removed use i

2898
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:17,920
remember that this is this and this is

2899
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:18,719
that

2900
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:23,040
because what you did came to me

2901
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,480
so i made that connection with them that

2902
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:26,239
was kind of cool

2903
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,159
thank you for that one and the next one

2904
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:30,320
is the fact that there may be underwater

2905
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,520
bases

2906
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,840
at catalina or catalina islands

2907
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,679
something you related to before

2908
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:37,600
you know what it's in catalina as uh

2909
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:40,719
special forces uh the seals

2910
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:43,040
down there and they do exercise down

2911
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,080
there

2912
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,560
um i don't know about underwater bases i

2913
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:49,119
mean don't think of like uh james mom

2914
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,040
movie underwater base

2915
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:53,679
um it would not surprise me that there

2916
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:56,000
are like you know a sub tender i don't

2917
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,440
know if your audience knows what a

2918
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,400
submarine tinder is but it's a ship

2919
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,639
designed to service submarines that come

2920
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:03,840
alongside

2921
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:05,440
and you know they can

2922
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:06,880
service the submarines with equipment

2923
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:08,400
and so forth

2924
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:10,000
it wouldn't surprise me if their

2925
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,629
u.s navy kind of assets like that

2926
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:18,239
underwater

2927
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,520
uh submarine tenders uh as far as a uap

2928
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,520
presence underwater we kind of know that

2929
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:25,360
because they go in and out

2930
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,229
that seems to be a popular one

2931
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,280
and i would say this um i can say this

2932
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,119
as a foia point

2933
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:39,280
the navy has a program called

2934
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:41,920
naval special programs nsp i can say

2935
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:45,599
that it's heavily heavily heavily sound

2936
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,199
and um that i can say that because my

2937
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:52,320
predecessor in the elan office at cia

2938
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,280
gene poteet actually started the naval

2939
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,520
on the nsp program and he actually wrote

2940
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,320
about it in open source literature

2941
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,719
so ask the navy about that and they're

2942
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,520
just freaking out because i said nsp

2943
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:08,239
but i can source it they're like getting

2944
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:09,679
they're getting the counter intelligence

2945
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:16,550
two more john the first one is alien

2946
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,920
abductions

2947
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,000
yeah um again i

2948
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,880
i was taken and here's the difference i

2949
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,280
i wanted to be taken i planted sunflower

2950
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,920
seeds so to grow into sunflowers for

2951
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:30,239
some reason i was downloaded that you

2952
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:32,000
need to do sunflowers

2953
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,440
i don't know if that occurred anywhere

2954
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:35,119
in anyone else's experiences that

2955
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:37,119
sunflowers are important

2956
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,639
but they were they took me and i wanted

2957
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:40,400
to be taken because i wanted them not to

2958
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,679
bring me back

2959
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,320
please take me with you why am i here

2960
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:47,119
um and so that's my taken experience now

2961
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:48,400
for

2962
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:50,880
military abductions again

2963
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,599
um your best source is um melinda leslie

2964
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:57,520
and finally are we heading towards

2965
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,189
uh well one

2966
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,119
i don't like the disclosure word as you

2967
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:07,920
know i like dissemination and it's on

2968
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,679
some controlled schedule

2969
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:11,199
dissemination

2970
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,719
uh will lead to confirmation

2971
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,800
they'll have to come up and say

2972
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,280
okay this is what's been happening

2973
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,520
and this is where we really come from

2974
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,280
once they can say

2975
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,040
this is where humanity actually come

2976
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:27,760
from came from and this is why we don't

2977
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,159
look like our primate brothers and

2978
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:32,960
sisters at the zoo or in the wild in the

2979
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,280
jungles i don't i don't like zeus i like

2980
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:37,119
all animals to be free

2981
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:38,080
um

2982
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:39,199
when they can

2983
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,800
build that bridge

2984
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:42,639
that's when you're gonna get the full

2985
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,760
i'll call it the fullness of faith

2986
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,360
because it's to me i believe in

2987
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,840
faith-based ufology i can't prove

2988
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,159
anything it's like i can't prove god

2989
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,080
but i know god exists in some way you

2990
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:56,239
know it's a personal religion kind of

2991
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:59,119
thing no one can prove anything but it's

2992
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,639
based on faith and that's the way i

2993
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:03,360
approach ufology it's faith-based i

2994
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:05,040
believe it

2995
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:06,560
john you've been really generous with

2996
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:08,800
your time um i appreciate you've made a

2997
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,280
big impact in a very small time frame in

2998
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,440
the ufo community you've certainly

2999
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,360
caused a lot of topics of conversation i

3000
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,679
appreciate your your openness and your

3001
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,599
your willingness to speculate at where

3002
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:22,080
possible too um what's next for you

3003
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,760
within the community are you planning on

3004
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:25,679
sticking around um have you got more

3005
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,239
interviews planned and what's next

3006
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,400
uh there are a lot of folks who reached

3007
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:32,080
out to me um

3008
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:34,239
to do as you're doing today on various

3009
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,760
podcasts

3010
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:37,199
um

3011
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,320
talking i would close my twitter account

3012
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:44,159
and i would never breathe another word

3013
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,599
about this when they finally say

3014
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,119
we're hybrids

3015
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:51,040
and that's where we came from

3016
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,760
and because we're hybrids those who

3017
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,840
created us as hybrids are here to help

3018
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,800
us

3019
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:59,040
when they can say that uh mission

3020
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:00,560
accomplished for me

3021
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:03,199
because that's a big big step forward

3022
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,679
and understand who we are i actually

3023
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:07,760
believe they're going to be people upset

3024
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:10,400
but i hope it brings some sense of

3025
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,960
community of who we are get rid of our

3026
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,320
differences get rid of these petty

3027
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:16,639
differences based on skin color uh

3028
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:18,560
national origin all of that stuff it's

3029
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,719
just to me it's nonsense

3030
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,560
uh and if we just

3031
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:24,560
become earth

3032
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:27,679
and recognize who we are and then i

3033
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,520
i was i'd be happy very very happy

3034
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,599
that is all for this week's show thank

3035
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,599
you very much for listening please

3036
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:37,599
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3037
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:40,239
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3038
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:42,560
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3039
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,480
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3040
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:46,639
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3041
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,159
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3042
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,719
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3043
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,360
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3044
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:55,599
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3045
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:58,480
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3046
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,159
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3047
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:04,080
folks as always keep looking up you

3048
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:06,850
never know what you might see

3049
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:33,900
i don't think he expected me

3050
01:54:33,910 --> 01:55:03,669
[Music]

3051
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,950
there was something on my head and

3052
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:06,639
everything was weird and everything was

3053
01:55:15,070 --> 01:55:08,639
red i helped my boys they thought this

3054
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:22,210
[Music]

3055
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:36,690
she

3056
01:55:36,700 --> 01:55:46,830
[Music]

3057
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:51,610
considered your lies

3058
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:06,480
[Music]

3059
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:36,920
it's very easy